Sep 22, 2026 · 40 min · 11 segments
Consumer psychologist and Thinkerbell founder Adam Ferrier thinks advertising has a bigger problem than AI: the industry is still too focused on making ads. In this episode of Second Wind, Adam joins…
Adam FerrierGuestGully FlowersHostCan you just tell us how you're thinking about the, the, the market, the industry, the model? I mean, does it-
... feel stable? Does it feel violent in terms of the transition, the impact of AI and big tech?

We have the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute and Mark Ritson in very, very close proximity to Australia.

So Australia's taken marketing sciences and evidence-based marketing much more seriously than the rest of the world.

I, I, and I'm sure by the end of the year there aren't gonna that, gonna be that many ads shot with a camera.

And that's gonna be a massive, massive transition as we, as we go through that.

And then obviously AI is disrupting the industry from, uh, insight to idea to concept development to workflows.

And so you see the big holding companies making very, very big bets acquiring very large AI companies.

Or if you're Publicis, you started the journey 10 years ago, and you know, you're looking okay.

And also being an independent agency, the whole industry could catastrophically sink or shrink, and it will still be big enough for a little indie agency to kind of-

Well, you know, the, the p- yeah, there, there are lots of people who are finding it tough, and they've kind of reduced their headcount and all that kind of stuff.
Can you just tell us how you're thinking about the, the, the market, the industry, the model? I mean, does it-
... feel stable? Does it feel violent in terms of the transition, the impact of AI and big tech?

We have the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute and Mark Ritson in very, very close proximity to Australia.

So Australia's taken marketing sciences and evidence-based marketing much more seriously than the rest of the world.

I, I, and I'm sure by the end of the year there aren't gonna that, gonna be that many ads shot with a camera.

And that's gonna be a massive, massive transition as we, as we go through that.

And then obviously AI is disrupting the industry from, uh, insight to idea to concept development to workflows.

And so you see the big holding companies making very, very big bets acquiring very large AI companies.

Or if you're Publicis, you started the journey 10 years ago, and you know, you're looking okay.

And also being an independent agency, the whole industry could catastrophically sink or shrink, and it will still be big enough for a little indie agency to kind of-

Well, you know, the, the p- yeah, there, there are lots of people who are finding it tough, and they've kind of reduced their headcount and all that kind of stuff.
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