Second Crack — The Leadership Podcast
Sep 25, 2026 · 53 min · 12 segments
**“Your nervous system walks through the door before you do.”** We like to think that how we show up as leaders is largely a conscious choice. We prepare, set our intentions, choose our words, and…
Carolyn HartGuest
Gerrit PelzerHost
Martin AldergardHost
We need to build skills, like leadership skills, but if I understand you correct, we also need to understand that part of this is just pure biology.

... is, is the awareness there today, and, and what do I need to learn as a leader to t- take this in?

Well, and thank you for that question, Martin, and that's why, um, a friend of mine, Ryan Clark, and I started Resilient Voices.

I started sharing some of these insights with him, and he was like, "What? I never saw that side of communication." He does a lot of advocacy work, and so when we looked at bringing our skillsets together, his ability to help people learn how to advocate effectively, and my perspective around nervous system resilience, which we can talk-- we can unpack a little bit more, but basically understanding our nervous system, those two things together allow us to communicate, I'd say, with more intention, and not only focus on what we are saying, but also understand what impacts how we say it.

So to come back to your question, Martin, I can tell you, I- when I talk about it in my work, it comes up in almost every coaching call I have, in every workshop that I have, not because I'm trying to insert it into the topics.

There's a term overwhelmed that's used a whole lot, and so it naturally comes up, and this is where I'll talk about capacity and our ability, how much we can hold, how much pressure we can hold.

I try to push through a lot of things as a leader, thinking that if I didn't, I wasn't good enough.

And I certainly recognize this among people that I talk to, that there seems to be either you have to keep pushing to keep your professional lives toge- together, to show up at work, deliver on all the deadlines, keep a smiling face, deliver at home, and keep the whole wheel, so to say, spinning.

Or you need to get off this wheel completely, and it seems perhaps by a greater understanding of how to play with our nervous system, perhaps there is not such a binary choice, either keep pushing or completely getting off the wheel.

So perhaps this is a direction that this conversation could go, because I would certainly be happy to hear what is the solution to not having to choose between those two extremes.

Well, here's one of the things that really helped me understand how, um, how my biology worked without becoming a scientist and really getting into all the, the details of it, and it was a theory called the polyvagal theory discovered by Stephen Porges.

And while that theory has been challenged, uh, on some very detailed levels, the essence of it still holds, and the essence is that our nervous system moves through different states and is always looking to understand- Safety and always trying to manage how much energy is being expended.

Um, and so with polyvagal theory, what I understood is these three different states will impact how I make decisions as a leader and how I communicate.

We need to build skills, like leadership skills, but if I understand you correct, we also need to understand that part of this is just pure biology.

... is, is the awareness there today, and, and what do I need to learn as a leader to t- take this in?

Well, and thank you for that question, Martin, and that's why, um, a friend of mine, Ryan Clark, and I started Resilient Voices.

I started sharing some of these insights with him, and he was like, "What? I never saw that side of communication." He does a lot of advocacy work, and so when we looked at bringing our skillsets together, his ability to help people learn how to advocate effectively, and my perspective around nervous system resilience, which we can talk-- we can unpack a little bit more, but basically understanding our nervous system, those two things together allow us to communicate, I'd say, with more intention, and not only focus on what we are saying, but also understand what impacts how we say it.

So to come back to your question, Martin, I can tell you, I- when I talk about it in my work, it comes up in almost every coaching call I have, in every workshop that I have, not because I'm trying to insert it into the topics.

There's a term overwhelmed that's used a whole lot, and so it naturally comes up, and this is where I'll talk about capacity and our ability, how much we can hold, how much pressure we can hold.

I try to push through a lot of things as a leader, thinking that if I didn't, I wasn't good enough.

And I certainly recognize this among people that I talk to, that there seems to be either you have to keep pushing to keep your professional lives toge- together, to show up at work, deliver on all the deadlines, keep a smiling face, deliver at home, and keep the whole wheel, so to say, spinning.

Or you need to get off this wheel completely, and it seems perhaps by a greater understanding of how to play with our nervous system, perhaps there is not such a binary choice, either keep pushing or completely getting off the wheel.

So perhaps this is a direction that this conversation could go, because I would certainly be happy to hear what is the solution to not having to choose between those two extremes.

Well, here's one of the things that really helped me understand how, um, how my biology worked without becoming a scientist and really getting into all the, the details of it, and it was a theory called the polyvagal theory discovered by Stephen Porges.

And while that theory has been challenged, uh, on some very detailed levels, the essence of it still holds, and the essence is that our nervous system moves through different states and is always looking to understand- Safety and always trying to manage how much energy is being expended.

Um, and so with polyvagal theory, what I understood is these three different states will impact how I make decisions as a leader and how I communicate.
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