Purpose and Profit: The Sustainable Therapy Practice Podcast
Sep 22, 2026 · 46 min · 9 segments
Therapists were trained that the client is the expert. Elana Sures thinks that idea got welded to a second one — that being directive is a misuse of power — and the two have been travelling together…
Elana SuresGuest
Steph DavisHost
Cecilia MannellaHost
I mean, I think that therapists give clients way too much sort of like benefit of the doubt.

Like when I think about the average client that arrives in our office, like, they don't know their research on like therapeutic efficacy and how many days should go between sessions before it drops off a cliff.

And they don't know how many sessions are actually kind of like that the research orients us to as being like the minimum or the average of what is required for effective change to happen.

And I think the more you and I have been talking about this and the more I've been thinking about it, I think about how poorly, um, we do at educating clients and the general public, I think a little bit about how therapy is most effective, you know? And I think it's like, I think to Cecilia's earlier example, I'm like, it would feel crazy to like walk into a physio's office and for him to say, you tell me how often you want to come and like what you're hoping to do here to change your And I'd be like, I don't know.

And like, I don't, how often do I need to come? What are the exercises that I need to do? Like there, it would be so crazy to walk into a physio office and to get that.

And for some reason, therapists don't make that connection where they're, they, they give the client so much credit.

credit like they should know what this process is about and they should know how this process works and any intrusion into their into that by the therapist is almost like a violation of their autonomy or a shift away from client centered care it's so wild to me it's wild

because they're what other profession does that I always go back to the professions that I use or allied health professionals.

Do you know what I mean? My chiropractor is not like, hey, would you like me to crack your back today or your shoulder? You let me know what you want to do.

Nobody asks for my opinion, which is fine because I'm paying people for their expertise.

And how unsatisfying it would be if I went to my accountant's office and he says to me, I don't really know what we should do here.

What do you think we should do? How often would you like to pay your taxes?

I mean, I think that therapists give clients way too much sort of like benefit of the doubt.

Like when I think about the average client that arrives in our office, like, they don't know their research on like therapeutic efficacy and how many days should go between sessions before it drops off a cliff.

And they don't know how many sessions are actually kind of like that the research orients us to as being like the minimum or the average of what is required for effective change to happen.

And I think the more you and I have been talking about this and the more I've been thinking about it, I think about how poorly, um, we do at educating clients and the general public, I think a little bit about how therapy is most effective, you know? And I think it's like, I think to Cecilia's earlier example, I'm like, it would feel crazy to like walk into a physio's office and for him to say, you tell me how often you want to come and like what you're hoping to do here to change your And I'd be like, I don't know.

And like, I don't, how often do I need to come? What are the exercises that I need to do? Like there, it would be so crazy to walk into a physio office and to get that.

And for some reason, therapists don't make that connection where they're, they, they give the client so much credit.

credit like they should know what this process is about and they should know how this process works and any intrusion into their into that by the therapist is almost like a violation of their autonomy or a shift away from client centered care it's so wild to me it's wild

because they're what other profession does that I always go back to the professions that I use or allied health professionals.

Do you know what I mean? My chiropractor is not like, hey, would you like me to crack your back today or your shoulder? You let me know what you want to do.

Nobody asks for my opinion, which is fine because I'm paying people for their expertise.

And how unsatisfying it would be if I went to my accountant's office and he says to me, I don't really know what we should do here.

What do you think we should do? How often would you like to pay your taxes?
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