Hannah SpierHostDo I fucking feel it?

By the way, these are the people we think are so compassionate because we confuse emotional intensity with feeling for other people.

But if you want to start talking about a treatment, you have to look at the whole picture and really understand the nature of the disorder.

And they misunderstand the nature of the disorder, which is why they've not developed a treatment that really works.

And it's the combination of these and the fast life strategy that has solidified into a personality that repeatedly use crises to move people around them.

And the treatment, the standard treatment, dialectical behavioral therapy, yes, it helps.

It helps curb those acute symptoms, but it does not lead to improved social functioning.

This video perfectly describes their own attitudes towards this emotional intensity.
I swear to God, the worst part of a BPD crashout is not even the fact that I crashed out.
It's the fact that I can bounce back in minutes, and the people that I crashed out on can't bounce back for a day, a couple days.
I get it.
I get it.
I understand from their side.
But damn, it fucking sucks.
Like, I wish that everybody got over things as quick as I did, because holy fuck.

They think of themselves because they suffer so intensely and they're always told how much they suffer.

They think that this intense suffering means they're suffering more than others.

They think that their intense emotions are an excuse for the burden they put on others.

Oh, you don't move on that quickly? ah you know sucks for you this is female interpersonal predation and we don't recognize it because it's female and we'll get to that as well this is another example Oh, she needs a
fucking exorcism.

And the side effect, which is all the damage they cause to people in their lives...

These are the people we think are so compassionate because we confuse emotional intensity with feeling for other people.

And there are in different, different domains of personality and they are low intensity.

And that is what therapy has to target, not just lowering the negative emotions.

How anxious are you feeling? you know, how happy with your life, how do you feel things are going? When was the last time you had suicidal ideations? Self-report in the therapy room, that's how they'll measure improvement, you know, alcohol consumption, such things.

And so I've seen family members and partners come into therapy, to family sessions, thinking like, now we're going to be heard and now someone's going to understand us and give us answers to how we how we're gonna go forward and then they're so confused because they have to sit there and celebrate improvement that they haven't seen they don't understand this sort of optimism around the so-called improvement and it's in this mismatch because we don't measure the social functioning properly we don't expect them to become contributing members of society.

Consider the diagnosis that is in the same category as borderline personality disorder, namely antisocial personality disorder.

They both belong at the same place in the cluster B category of personality disorders.

They both have unstable relationships and poor emotional control, and they are both personality styles that act out, but in different ways.

So where the borderline dynamic will tend to use emotional escalation as a lever to move others, the antisocial personality, which are usually then male, they will tend to overt aggressive tactics, acting out aggressively.

And the reason why this comparison is so interesting is because our attitude towards them are so different and our treatment guidelines are so different.

So The borderline personality disorder, with them, we focus on the pain they experience.

Does she feel chronically empty? Does she feel anxiety? Does she hurt herself? Does she suffer an unstable sense of self? And so on.

Does he lie? Does he break the law? Does he act out aggressively? Does he exploit others? And so on.

And what's so annoying is that with him, emotional intensity is... never confused with compassion or empathy for anybody.

And so the reason I established a comparison is not to excuse the antisocial male, like the male sociopath, but it's to say, why don't we establish the same type of treatment guidelines for the two? With antisocial men, we are remarkably clear-eyed about what's achievable, about their prognosis.

Very few people believe that if you reduce their inner suffering, their behavior will change.

Instead, we try to shape their behavior through external constraints and incentives.

And then we leverage the resources offered to them to encourage employment, to insist on legal accountability, for example.

We don't think that when we treat the substance abuse, the aggressive behavior and the manipulation and the stealing and the criminal acts, that will be corrected automatically.

But modern psychiatry gets completely lost in trauma narratives when it comes to borderline patients.
It's not about being dramatic.
It's about a nervous system that learned early that love isn't safe.

I think part of the problem is that we sit there with the crying female, usually young, usually very attractive.

We don't see the sisters who have never been heard because it's always been about her.
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