Practical Wisdom with Dr. Rick Hanson
Sep 23, 2026 · 37 min · 8 segments
Sometimes our anxiety is trying to tell us something important about a real threat, something we need to take care of, or someone we love. The trouble comes when anxiety keeps going long after it’s…
Rick HansonHost
So I'd like to explore with you here, uh, the topic of anxiety, and I wanna start with what we could call healthy anxiety, and then we could call, hmm, problematic anxiety.

And I want to approach this from both a Buddhist perspective and from the perspective of modern neuropsychology.

So on the one hand, anxiety is perfectly normal and has an evolved survival function.

It might alert us as well to what will happen if, you know, we don't, uh, I don't know, listen carefully to our partner, [laughs] you know, or what might happen if we don't go see that doctor about this funny lump in our, in our neck.

In the world around us, to be, uh, anxious about things that feel like they're falling apart in your country or worried on behalf of others.

[laughs] We're proud of worrying about them, and we intend to keep worrying about them even if they don't want us to.

When I very first started climbing really seriously in my early twenties, I would go to bed at night, camping out, lying in my sleeping bag near my friend who was my climbing partner.

And as I was falling asleep, I would suddenly have an extremely vivid sense of tumbling through the air down the face of the thousand or more foot cliff we had been climbing that day, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, falling down toward the hard boulders at the bottom to smack on them.

So I would pull myself up and out of that experience, shake it off, [laughs] whoa, and then start falling back into sleep again.

And then, bloop, there I was, tumbling in space, falling to my death, you know, to smack on the boulders below.

And after I think the third time of that, then I thought, "Well, harrumph." And so as I'm falling asleep, then it starts again and I let it happen.

I let it go all the way to completion where, smack, right on that gray, I can see it here now, gray granite flat boulder.

And then in the moment just before, a millisecond just before impact, I realized, oh, what I was experiencing was an upsurge of the fear that I had been suppressing all day long as an inexperienced young climber on the lead, so that if I fell, you know, I might go twenty or thirty or more feet with a little tiny piece of metal holding me.

So I'd like to explore with you here, uh, the topic of anxiety, and I wanna start with what we could call healthy anxiety, and then we could call, hmm, problematic anxiety.

And I want to approach this from both a Buddhist perspective and from the perspective of modern neuropsychology.

So on the one hand, anxiety is perfectly normal and has an evolved survival function.

It might alert us as well to what will happen if, you know, we don't, uh, I don't know, listen carefully to our partner, [laughs] you know, or what might happen if we don't go see that doctor about this funny lump in our, in our neck.

In the world around us, to be, uh, anxious about things that feel like they're falling apart in your country or worried on behalf of others.

[laughs] We're proud of worrying about them, and we intend to keep worrying about them even if they don't want us to.

When I very first started climbing really seriously in my early twenties, I would go to bed at night, camping out, lying in my sleeping bag near my friend who was my climbing partner.

And as I was falling asleep, I would suddenly have an extremely vivid sense of tumbling through the air down the face of the thousand or more foot cliff we had been climbing that day, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, falling down toward the hard boulders at the bottom to smack on them.

So I would pull myself up and out of that experience, shake it off, [laughs] whoa, and then start falling back into sleep again.

And then, bloop, there I was, tumbling in space, falling to my death, you know, to smack on the boulders below.

And after I think the third time of that, then I thought, "Well, harrumph." And so as I'm falling asleep, then it starts again and I let it happen.

I let it go all the way to completion where, smack, right on that gray, I can see it here now, gray granite flat boulder.

And then in the moment just before, a millisecond just before impact, I realized, oh, what I was experiencing was an upsurge of the fear that I had been suppressing all day long as an inexperienced young climber on the lead, so that if I fell, you know, I might go twenty or thirty or more feet with a little tiny piece of metal holding me.
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