Politics with Michelle Grattan
Sep 17, 2026 · 22 min · 9 segments
The Nationals leader said he'll do 'whatever it takes' to beat the Labor government – including not ruling out a move to the lower house before the next election.
Matt Canavan, is it possible that one nation could actually wipe out the Nationals eventually, given what we saw in the Farah by-election?

I don't think the Nationals or myself or anyone else deserves a spot in this parliament.

No doubt that fight and challenge is more difficult at the moment, and that's understandable because people are in very difficult economic times and there's a lot of explainable volatility out there in politics.

Look, I'm embracing that volatility because the most important thing I want is to change the government so that we can get a change of direction for the country.

And so having people think about their vote and possibly changing their vote puts them in a state of mind where they might come and eventually vote for us.

And yeah, every possibility is there and you've got to approach every election, every game of football you play with the concern that you very well might lose.

There's an optimal level of paranoia when you go out and play and I've definitely got that.
So what's the mood on the ground there vis-a-vis One Nation in those seats of yours?

Well, I suppose it's a bit hard for me to say exactly in terms of One Nation, but I would describe the mood as one of frustration, a feeling of being let down and left behind for too long.

More and more people are coming to events than I have ever seen before and people are listening.

Now, yes, many of those people at the moment are probably saying that they would vote for One Nation if an election were held today, but they are still listening to us and and to me, and we have great local members on the ground that are connecting all the time with people.

And yeah, that's why we've outlined a very comprehensive policy platform, especially at this stage of election cycle for an opposition We've got specific taxes we're going to cut and scrap net zero and change lots of laws to promote the development of our country, especially our energy resources.
Matt Canavan, is it possible that one nation could actually wipe out the Nationals eventually, given what we saw in the Farah by-election?

I don't think the Nationals or myself or anyone else deserves a spot in this parliament.

No doubt that fight and challenge is more difficult at the moment, and that's understandable because people are in very difficult economic times and there's a lot of explainable volatility out there in politics.

Look, I'm embracing that volatility because the most important thing I want is to change the government so that we can get a change of direction for the country.

And so having people think about their vote and possibly changing their vote puts them in a state of mind where they might come and eventually vote for us.

And yeah, every possibility is there and you've got to approach every election, every game of football you play with the concern that you very well might lose.

There's an optimal level of paranoia when you go out and play and I've definitely got that.
So what's the mood on the ground there vis-a-vis One Nation in those seats of yours?

Well, I suppose it's a bit hard for me to say exactly in terms of One Nation, but I would describe the mood as one of frustration, a feeling of being let down and left behind for too long.

More and more people are coming to events than I have ever seen before and people are listening.

Now, yes, many of those people at the moment are probably saying that they would vote for One Nation if an election were held today, but they are still listening to us and and to me, and we have great local members on the ground that are connecting all the time with people.

And yeah, that's why we've outlined a very comprehensive policy platform, especially at this stage of election cycle for an opposition We've got specific taxes we're going to cut and scrap net zero and change lots of laws to promote the development of our country, especially our energy resources.
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