Jul 6, 2026 · 30 min · 11 segments
Leadership isn't about giving orders. It's about understanding your team, adapting your communication style, and creating an environment where people can succeed. In this episode of the Pharmaverse…
Jonas HyltonGuestMichael PietrackHostYou're one of the most outgoing people I know, and so I was really surprised to learn that shyness was something that you had to overcome at a young age.
Growing up, I was super quiet, super shy, couldn't approach anybody, couldn't give a presentation in front of my sixth grade class, third grade class, senior class.
And then I went to college and thought, "Oh, I can reinvent myself." And when I went to college, I was still really, really shy, and I realized that I was, um, you know, missing out on things in life, right? I see these happy people hanging out together, doing a lot of fun things, giving up...
giving great presentations, getting ahead, and I thought, "Why am I not like that?" And I said, "It's, it's just a conscious decision." So one day I just woke up when I was 22 years old, and I said, "I'm not gonna be shy anymore.
I'm gonna laugh more like the people that I wanna mimic." And so I just woke up one day and started doing it, and started practicing, and turned from a glass half empty person or a shy introvert to a person that like sparks conversations with random people, hopefully in a non-creepy way.
And so I always think that, you know, people can reinvent themselves if they want to.
And so I tried it, and it worked a lot 'cause now people meet me and they go, "You were shy?" I'm like, "Yeah, deathly shy."
Was there anything else besides just making the conscious decision that you had to do when you said practice? Like, what does that really mean?
Yeah, you know, because you can't just wake up one day and be like, "Oh, I'm gonna be an outgoing, happy person," especially if you're like you don't have the confidence in yourself, right? We're always very self-deprivating, right? I don't like the way my hair looks.
You're one of the most outgoing people I know, and so I was really surprised to learn that shyness was something that you had to overcome at a young age.
Growing up, I was super quiet, super shy, couldn't approach anybody, couldn't give a presentation in front of my sixth grade class, third grade class, senior class.
And then I went to college and thought, "Oh, I can reinvent myself." And when I went to college, I was still really, really shy, and I realized that I was, um, you know, missing out on things in life, right? I see these happy people hanging out together, doing a lot of fun things, giving up...
giving great presentations, getting ahead, and I thought, "Why am I not like that?" And I said, "It's, it's just a conscious decision." So one day I just woke up when I was 22 years old, and I said, "I'm not gonna be shy anymore.
I'm gonna laugh more like the people that I wanna mimic." And so I just woke up one day and started doing it, and started practicing, and turned from a glass half empty person or a shy introvert to a person that like sparks conversations with random people, hopefully in a non-creepy way.
And so I always think that, you know, people can reinvent themselves if they want to.
And so I tried it, and it worked a lot 'cause now people meet me and they go, "You were shy?" I'm like, "Yeah, deathly shy."
Was there anything else besides just making the conscious decision that you had to do when you said practice? Like, what does that really mean?
Yeah, you know, because you can't just wake up one day and be like, "Oh, I'm gonna be an outgoing, happy person," especially if you're like you don't have the confidence in yourself, right? We're always very self-deprivating, right? I don't like the way my hair looks.
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