Perfect Prey: A Coercive Control Podcast
Aug 28, 2026 · 53 min · 12 segments
In this episode of *Perfect Prey*, I’m joined by award-winning journalist and author Jess Hill for an important conversation about coercive control, domestic abuse, victim-survivors, children, and…
Christine Marie CocchiolaHostAnd then I think part of what I think they know also, right, is that if they can erode away in some ways, the attachment between make the children kind of feel a little unsettled with the parent who is the safe parent, then they can use the children, right, as the weapons.
And I see over and over again with children where they're not actually afraid, quote unquote, they're always afraid, but they're not overtly fearful of the abusive parent.
They're actually just figuring out how to navigate the situation, much like the adult victim
One of the best examples of that, not from a child, but from an adult victim survivor in terms of that, your behavior, anyone looking from the outside would see that's a scared person.
And that was of this incredible long distance swimmer, Chloe McArdle, who I interviewed for The Trap.
And she swam the English Channel at the time that I interviewed her about 43 times.
And as far as she was concerned, she was the strong one in the relationship, which was absolutely true.
So when he would, you know, particularly when he would get drunk and start to become, you know, much more physically violent, she would barricade herself in the bedroom and barricade the door.
I need to get through this too because I think, and this is something that I've come back to a number of times, is that when you think about the loyalty code, of course, of control and the compliance that's at the heart of it, Part of the compliance, it's not just you need to abide by certain rules or there'll be consequences.
And a thought crime is being afraid because then that is saying that that is someone to be afraid of.
And then I think part of what I think they know also, right, is that if they can erode away in some ways, the attachment between make the children kind of feel a little unsettled with the parent who is the safe parent, then they can use the children, right, as the weapons.
And I see over and over again with children where they're not actually afraid, quote unquote, they're always afraid, but they're not overtly fearful of the abusive parent.
They're actually just figuring out how to navigate the situation, much like the adult victim
One of the best examples of that, not from a child, but from an adult victim survivor in terms of that, your behavior, anyone looking from the outside would see that's a scared person.
And that was of this incredible long distance swimmer, Chloe McArdle, who I interviewed for The Trap.
And she swam the English Channel at the time that I interviewed her about 43 times.
And as far as she was concerned, she was the strong one in the relationship, which was absolutely true.
So when he would, you know, particularly when he would get drunk and start to become, you know, much more physically violent, she would barricade herself in the bedroom and barricade the door.
I need to get through this too because I think, and this is something that I've come back to a number of times, is that when you think about the loyalty code, of course, of control and the compliance that's at the heart of it, Part of the compliance, it's not just you need to abide by certain rules or there'll be consequences.
And a thought crime is being afraid because then that is saying that that is someone to be afraid of.
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