Jun 23, 2026 · 39 min · 11 segments
What if the greatest obstacle to your growth was never your circumstances — but your certainty? Laura Miner spent much of her life in a world where questioning wasn't allowed. She learned early that…
Laura MinerGuestMichael CareyHostThis is Mike Carey, and this is the Pentimento Podcast, and I have Laura Miner with me.
And Laura and I had a lot of meetings over the years in terms of different environments, different situations.

And the reason I remember it is because it's the only immersion I got to have on campus before COVID shut the world down.
And speaking of COVID, I remember I think when we got to connect even more was through the leadership and community class, which you took with a group of people that we were supposed to go to St. Andrew's Abbey in Valiermo, California, and they shut down completely.
And so I remember asking the people that were signed up for it, do you still want to do the course? Because I think a lot of people signed up because of the idea of going to a monastery for a week.
And that particular group, we've been meeting since that online version of the community class.
So that's an interesting result of making the decision to go and do the course even online.
You and I were in a course together, was in Florence, and you were doing that as part of your doctoral program at that point.
This is Mike Carey, and this is the Pentimento Podcast, and I have Laura Miner with me.
And Laura and I had a lot of meetings over the years in terms of different environments, different situations.

And the reason I remember it is because it's the only immersion I got to have on campus before COVID shut the world down.
And speaking of COVID, I remember I think when we got to connect even more was through the leadership and community class, which you took with a group of people that we were supposed to go to St. Andrew's Abbey in Valiermo, California, and they shut down completely.
And so I remember asking the people that were signed up for it, do you still want to do the course? Because I think a lot of people signed up because of the idea of going to a monastery for a week.
And that particular group, we've been meeting since that online version of the community class.
So that's an interesting result of making the decision to go and do the course even online.
You and I were in a course together, was in Florence, and you were doing that as part of your doctoral program at that point.
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