Jun 25, 2026 · 22 min · 10 segments
In this episode, Katherine Forrest and Scott Caravello examine the emerging legal and policy debate around AI personhood, covering how different jurisdictions are approaching the question and what it…
Catherine ForrestHost
Scott CaravelloHostYou know, right after we recorded our podcast with Mythos 5 and Fable 5, the U.S. Department of Commerce actually issued an export control order that prevented foreign nationals from having access to those models on the basis that there were some national security concerns that they had uncovered in terms of a potential jailbreak or something else.
In any event, the only way for Anthropic to comply with that was, as they said, I think unhappily so, to pull the model and access to the model for the time being.
Yeah, and that's basically where we still are at the time of recording since that happened on Friday.
And there was some reporting yesterday and over the weekend that anthropic executives were set to meet with senior White House officials on Monday, discuss the issue.
You know, right after we recorded our podcast with Mythos 5 and Fable 5, the U.S. Department of Commerce actually issued an export control order that prevented foreign nationals from having access to those models on the basis that there were some national security concerns that they had uncovered in terms of a potential jailbreak or something else.
In any event, the only way for Anthropic to comply with that was, as they said, I think unhappily so, to pull the model and access to the model for the time being.
Yeah, and that's basically where we still are at the time of recording since that happened on Friday.
And there was some reporting yesterday and over the weekend that anthropic executives were set to meet with senior White House officials on Monday, discuss the issue.
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