Model Refusals Don't Stop Hackers | Devon Thomas

So you released your first product on X about, I, you know, I, hard to tell time in the singularity, but like a month ago-ish?

Well, we, we, we were, uh, we had products, uh, we had models before, but that was the one that everyone cared about.

So w- we'll-

Yes

... just go with that one.

[chuckles]

We'll go with that one.

So obliterated model large V2.

It was a month and a half ago.

Um, and it caused like a Twitter freak out of cosmic proportions.

Um, y- you said, "We obliterated and hosted it, so it does the offensive cyber red teaming and agent testing work other models refuse to do." So, you know, a lot of people's immediate response was like, "This is terrible.

This is like evil.

Like, why would you, you know, release the, uh, you know, a cyber nuke? This should be illegal," and so on.

So like, what would you say in response to those people?

Well, I'll say that, uh, [chuckles] I mean, I have a, a relationship with a lot of people in the cyber industry.

Uh, we have a ton of customers of, from huge corporations to cyber startups and, and many of them were complaining about the refusals and access to, um, essentially just be able to do their job, right? So they were so excited to get access to kinda a frontier model to help them do their, the work they were excited about.

So I mean, there was a lot of outsiders, I, I, I would call them, like outside of, uh, the cyber industry and outside of our customer base that were worried about it.

But for the most part, all of our customers were really excited to have access to these models and to better be able to defend their own products.

And I think they see all the articles about all these AI hacks and et cetera, and they're just excited to be able to do it on themselves first before someone else, um, with an open source model or a jailbroken frontier model does it against them.

So-

Mm

... that, that's kinda, I mean, that was our goal is to, you know, proliferate access to defenders worldwide.

Right.

Well, why don't we step back a little bit, and why don't you tell us more about why Obliteration was created and what the mission is?

Yeah.

So you released your first product on X about, I, you know, I, hard to tell time in the singularity, but like a month ago-ish?

Well, we, we, we were, uh, we had products, uh, we had models before, but that was the one that everyone cared about.

So w- we'll-

Yes

... just go with that one.

[chuckles]

We'll go with that one.

So obliterated model large V2.

It was a month and a half ago.

Um, and it caused like a Twitter freak out of cosmic proportions.

Um, y- you said, "We obliterated and hosted it, so it does the offensive cyber red teaming and agent testing work other models refuse to do." So, you know, a lot of people's immediate response was like, "This is terrible.

This is like evil.

Like, why would you, you know, release the, uh, you know, a cyber nuke? This should be illegal," and so on.

So like, what would you say in response to those people?

Well, I'll say that, uh, [chuckles] I mean, I have a, a relationship with a lot of people in the cyber industry.

Uh, we have a ton of customers of, from huge corporations to cyber startups and, and many of them were complaining about the refusals and access to, um, essentially just be able to do their job, right? So they were so excited to get access to kinda a frontier model to help them do their, the work they were excited about.

So I mean, there was a lot of outsiders, I, I, I would call them, like outside of, uh, the cyber industry and outside of our customer base that were worried about it.

But for the most part, all of our customers were really excited to have access to these models and to better be able to defend their own products.

And I think they see all the articles about all these AI hacks and et cetera, and they're just excited to be able to do it on themselves first before someone else, um, with an open source model or a jailbroken frontier model does it against them.

So-

Mm

... that, that's kinda, I mean, that was our goal is to, you know, proliferate access to defenders worldwide.

Right.

Well, why don't we step back a little bit, and why don't you tell us more about why Obliteration was created and what the mission is?

Yeah.