18 Legions. One Winner. Zero Agreement.

i'll go with this because i don't think it's that controversial though again it probably will be for some people but i'm going to say the iron hands Why? That's what you said.

Why? Yeah.

Because even though they are pretty powerful, especially in their prime before they lost Ferus, I mean, he was kind of in contention in a lot of people's minds for Warmaster, even though I find that hard to believe.

I find that

hard to believe.

But Horace talked about it, a few others talked about it, so apparently he was up there.

And they had a big legion, but...

I would argue that after Istvan, they just fell to nothing, essentially.

So one of our things was the Primarch's leadership.

Yes.

So once he was gone.

Yeah,

but they all went a bit odd, didn't they? And started sellotaping metal forks to the hat.

Yeah.

Yeah, like the wolf wrinkles.

They got all weird and obsessed.

It did

all get a bit weird.

I think that's also when they had all their metal forks and stuff.

I think that was one of the things is they kind of like...

It makes them less adaptable, I think is the argument there.

Yeah, it does.

Because they fight in a very particular way and they're like proper...

I would say... they're almost the most and the good guys are the most religious in some ways you know what I mean like they've got a religion which is all about flesh is weak and you know they're very headstrong

religion or it's like an ethos