Mediterranean Sustainability Partners
Sep 25, 2026 · 35 min · 9 segments
Here are the four segments of the podcast with Dr. Athan Fox : 1\) **Is circularity really just better recycling?** 2\) **What should a material become in its next life?** 3\) **Can a profitable…
Ethan FoxGuestEllen WassilinaHost
It has a financial benefit, an environmental benefit, hopefully both and at the same time.

And we have even seen cases in industry where processes increase their recycled content.

while at the same time they are increasing in absolute terms their consumption of primary or virgin resources even more.

An example of that will be, for instance, growth industries like what we've seen with lithium batteries and lithium battery recycling.

They incorporate more recycled material, but at the same time the consumption, the absolute consumption of resources increase.

So where do these observations sit within the circular sphere? I often say to businesses that they need to be asking deeper questions.

Not just questions like, can this thing be recycled? Is this material actually getting recycled? We should be considering or asking, what should this material become next? Will that genuinely leave us better off? These deeper questions are part of the circular system.

Circularity ultimately helps us satisfy a human need by preserving the productive capacity of both industry and nature.

It's necessary, but the recycling percentage alone could never tell us whether we have been successful, and especially whether we're being successful in the circular system's ability to preserve the value of the materials we're working with.

It has a financial benefit, an environmental benefit, hopefully both and at the same time.

And we have even seen cases in industry where processes increase their recycled content.

while at the same time they are increasing in absolute terms their consumption of primary or virgin resources even more.

An example of that will be, for instance, growth industries like what we've seen with lithium batteries and lithium battery recycling.

They incorporate more recycled material, but at the same time the consumption, the absolute consumption of resources increase.

So where do these observations sit within the circular sphere? I often say to businesses that they need to be asking deeper questions.

Not just questions like, can this thing be recycled? Is this material actually getting recycled? We should be considering or asking, what should this material become next? Will that genuinely leave us better off? These deeper questions are part of the circular system.

Circularity ultimately helps us satisfy a human need by preserving the productive capacity of both industry and nature.

It's necessary, but the recycling percentage alone could never tell us whether we have been successful, and especially whether we're being successful in the circular system's ability to preserve the value of the materials we're working with.
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