Marriage Rehab: Exposing Narcissistic & Emotional Abuse
Aug 31, 2026 · 54 min · 11 segments
Why does your partner shut down, become defensive, or seem unable to engage emotionally when conflict arises? In this episode of *Marriage Rehab*, Dr. David Hawkins sits down with Dr. Lindsay C…
Lindsay GibsonGuest
David HawkinsHost
Because, I mean, those questions, if you have gotten enough interaction and enough attachment and bonding and a supportive enough relationship within yourself to build a sense of self and to have some self-reflection, to have some self-control, it's just... incomprehensible to you that this person that I love, you know, that maybe I've been, you know, achieve this closeness with at times could turn around and be so emotionally unavailable to me or appear to lose interest in the intimacy that we had begun to establish.

And it's just something that they can't comprehend because if you have the ability to relate when you're emotionally aroused or when you're upset and When you have the instinct to turn to somebody in a good attached form, turn to someone for relief and comfort or to express maybe something that you didn't like, you can't understand why that person that you're married to can't just do the simple thing and tell you what's the matter so that you can talk about it or reassure them or whatever.

And I like that term because I think it captures how it affects the person's whole life.

When people are raising little children, if they don't know too much about how we come to not only know what our feelings experiences, our sensations are, but we begin to be able to put words and facial expressions on them.

If we have not gotten that kind of feedback from our parents, we really don't know how to communicate at an emotional level.

Like, There was a podcast, I don't remember where it was, but it was a podcast about a young woman who was accused of some terrible crime.

And they questioned her and they questioned her, you know, trying to elicit some kind of emotional response that would maybe make her a more sympathetic defendant, right? Yeah.

And they interpreted that, that she didn't care or that she was a sociopath or whatever.

I mean, there are cultures where they learn that you do not animate your face in the face of an emotionally arousing situation.

You know, when people say, oh, my husband shuts down or my wife shuts down, they take that as a rejection or an unwillingness to connect.

And with little children, when they are confronted with an emotion, they don't know how to handle.

And nobody has even modeled to them with their facial expression how to show, I'm scared, I need your help, I'm interested.

So their face stays kind of immobile and they have big eyes and they look like a deer in the headlights.

Because, I mean, those questions, if you have gotten enough interaction and enough attachment and bonding and a supportive enough relationship within yourself to build a sense of self and to have some self-reflection, to have some self-control, it's just... incomprehensible to you that this person that I love, you know, that maybe I've been, you know, achieve this closeness with at times could turn around and be so emotionally unavailable to me or appear to lose interest in the intimacy that we had begun to establish.

And it's just something that they can't comprehend because if you have the ability to relate when you're emotionally aroused or when you're upset and When you have the instinct to turn to somebody in a good attached form, turn to someone for relief and comfort or to express maybe something that you didn't like, you can't understand why that person that you're married to can't just do the simple thing and tell you what's the matter so that you can talk about it or reassure them or whatever.

And I like that term because I think it captures how it affects the person's whole life.

When people are raising little children, if they don't know too much about how we come to not only know what our feelings experiences, our sensations are, but we begin to be able to put words and facial expressions on them.

If we have not gotten that kind of feedback from our parents, we really don't know how to communicate at an emotional level.

Like, There was a podcast, I don't remember where it was, but it was a podcast about a young woman who was accused of some terrible crime.

And they questioned her and they questioned her, you know, trying to elicit some kind of emotional response that would maybe make her a more sympathetic defendant, right? Yeah.

And they interpreted that, that she didn't care or that she was a sociopath or whatever.

I mean, there are cultures where they learn that you do not animate your face in the face of an emotionally arousing situation.

You know, when people say, oh, my husband shuts down or my wife shuts down, they take that as a rejection or an unwillingness to connect.

And with little children, when they are confronted with an emotion, they don't know how to handle.

And nobody has even modeled to them with their facial expression how to show, I'm scared, I need your help, I'm interested.

So their face stays kind of immobile and they have big eyes and they look like a deer in the headlights.
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