Great Managers Ask Great Questions to Lead With Curiosity & Kindness

Thanks for having me.

It's so nice to be here.

I've listened to your podcast and thought, oh, it's just such an interesting set of questions.

So I'm looking forward to this.

Wonderful.

I'm thrilled you're joining me today.

So can you tell me a bit more about you and what you do today?

Well, you've given me a very nice introduction.

So thank you for that.

I have been working in the field for over 20 years.

And for 12 of the past years, I've had my own consultancy, Kairos Modern Learning.

And then in 2024, I moved to Australia.

So joining you from the nighttime here.

And it was a bit of an adventure, really.

And recently, that's seen me taking over Learning Uncut, the podcast and the consultancy founded by Michelle Ocker's who is well very well known in Australia and luckily my name is also Michelle so sometimes you know I'm just riding on her coattails.

So today I run both Kairos in the UK and Learning Uncut in Australia and I've got a really strong belief that workplace learning needs to be focused on performance, behaviour and therefore it needs to be offered within context.

So when I wrote my book Several times in that book, if anyone's read it, they'll read the same thing, the same line repeats.

Because I really believe that we must be advocates for the right solution, for the right problem, for the right people at the right time, for the right reasons delivered in the right way.

And whether we're doing learning and development, organisation development or management, leadership, I think it stands to be the same.

Absolutely.

And what's it like running two consultancies on two sides of the world as a global consultancy? That must be a real challenge.

it's a bit crazy i do sort of bizarre hours so you know tonight i'll be going to bed by about half past eight because i'm getting up for something in america which is at five a.m um but i live on the gold coast and the gold coast basically if anyone's ever been here you're up at five a.m and you're in bed by nine because we chase the sun we don't do say daylight savings here so we tend to get up when the when the sun's up and go to bed So it's quite a natural thing actually.

It's quite a natural way of working.

So it means that I can catch the UK either end of the day as well.

Sounds great.