Jun 30, 2026 · 40 min · 13 segments
No industry is safe and no company is safe. In this candid panel, a real estate advisor, an investment banker, an independent director, and a restructuring attorney break down what is actually driving…
Scott MatesGuest
Michael D. SirotaGuest
Matthew KahnGuestRoger ArginaldoHost
I would just start by saying that, you know, unlike in many prior years where there were particular industries that were subject to distress, I think today there's no industry that's safe and, frankly, no company that's safe.

You know, while all of these restructurings have their own DNA, there are common characteristics in the restructurings that are taking place.

Certainly the effort to keep a company out of a proceeding is driven to a large extent by great creativity of advisors who try to figure out complex capital structures and resolve those problems outside of a proceeding.

The other trend you're seeing as a result of these LME transactions is lender-on-lender violence.

There's been so much liquidity in the marketplace for so long, that companies have been able to stay out by just completely attracting new forms of debt.

And when things go modestly sideways, lenders don't always see eye to eye as to how that debt gets, you know, recapped or reconfigured.

And often, as you can imagine, the people at the top of the debt stack have a certain vision, and those that are about to be disenfranchised have another vision.

And so what's been occurring in many of the filed cases of late is you'll see a very litigious environment among the lenders in that capital structure trying to figure out who's going to retain their interest, you know, through some sort of debt for equity or other type of configuration and who's going to be completely, you know, disenfranchised and receive little or no recovery.

You know, we're still actually coming out of the post-COVID pain, and a lot of that pain has been masked by additional credit.

I would just start by saying that, you know, unlike in many prior years where there were particular industries that were subject to distress, I think today there's no industry that's safe and, frankly, no company that's safe.

You know, while all of these restructurings have their own DNA, there are common characteristics in the restructurings that are taking place.

Certainly the effort to keep a company out of a proceeding is driven to a large extent by great creativity of advisors who try to figure out complex capital structures and resolve those problems outside of a proceeding.

The other trend you're seeing as a result of these LME transactions is lender-on-lender violence.

There's been so much liquidity in the marketplace for so long, that companies have been able to stay out by just completely attracting new forms of debt.

And when things go modestly sideways, lenders don't always see eye to eye as to how that debt gets, you know, recapped or reconfigured.

And often, as you can imagine, the people at the top of the debt stack have a certain vision, and those that are about to be disenfranchised have another vision.

And so what's been occurring in many of the filed cases of late is you'll see a very litigious environment among the lenders in that capital structure trying to figure out who's going to retain their interest, you know, through some sort of debt for equity or other type of configuration and who's going to be completely, you know, disenfranchised and receive little or no recovery.

You know, we're still actually coming out of the post-COVID pain, and a lot of that pain has been masked by additional credit.
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