Oct 7, 2026 · 12 min · 8 segments
A birthday special on Losing the Plot. Wale and I sit down to talk about the podcast in the first instalment of The Road to Grateful, a series looking back at my life and creative journey ahead of my…
Okay, so one of the things, and I, it's, it's too long for us to fully cover in one video.
Yeah.
One of the things I wanted to look at was, um, where is it? The podcast.
And m- very often I start out with one concept and I lose the plot.
[record scratch]
Oh, my baby.
[laughs] I, I, I'm such a fan of the amount of work you put into the podcast-
Thank you so much
... of the amount of research.
And I feel like, so based on all the conversations we've had for the past two days, I see you're a very research-heavy individual.
Yeah, absolutely.
Mm
... and you were talking about it, and y'all, y'all would've already seen it.
Uh, the way you were talking about music was, or how you got into it was, it was because of a class.
Mm-hmm.
So you had to do research.
Research, yeah.
And the research led you to... 'Cause most people, it's based on what we hear.
Right.
And the, the, the analogy you used for it was perfect, where it was like, um, people who are learning English as a second language-
Mm
...
Wouldn't, that, things that they would not know
Okay, so one of the things, and I, it's, it's too long for us to fully cover in one video.
Yeah.
One of the things I wanted to look at was, um, where is it? The podcast.
And m- very often I start out with one concept and I lose the plot.
[record scratch]
Oh, my baby.
[laughs] I, I, I'm such a fan of the amount of work you put into the podcast-
Thank you so much
... of the amount of research.
And I feel like, so based on all the conversations we've had for the past two days, I see you're a very research-heavy individual.
Yeah, absolutely.
Mm
... and you were talking about it, and y'all, y'all would've already seen it.
Uh, the way you were talking about music was, or how you got into it was, it was because of a class.
Mm-hmm.
So you had to do research.
Research, yeah.
And the research led you to... 'Cause most people, it's based on what we hear.
Right.
And the, the, the analogy you used for it was perfect, where it was like, um, people who are learning English as a second language-
Mm
...
Wouldn't, that, things that they would not know
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