Leaders of the Workplace of Tomorrow
Oct 14, 2026 · 35 min · 10 segments
In this episode of Leaders of the WoT, host Steve Miksta sits down with Mikhail Papovsky, Founder and CEO of…
Steve MikstaHostSo w- 1989 is where, when I arrived in the US, and not on Ellis Island, on, in JFK, but nonetheless, uh, you know, came with a greater debt, uh, than I had money and, uh, you know, with American dream naturally lurking e- underneath my skin.
And, and so the American dream of, of course, opening, you know, my own business and, uh, a- and, and doing my own thing.
The first few years in New York City, uh, eventful, uneventful, I don't know, but, you know, I was a picker in a warehouse, $4 an hour.
... run warehouses these days, right? Uh, but back then, they used to pay $4 an hour.
Uh, the trade school, uh, allowed me to become a d- a developer and, and a technician, uh, you know, software engineer, and that's what carried me from, you know, the, the early '90s all the way through 2011 or so.
And, you know, the company that we created, uh, back then in 1996, uh, called Abryak, we doubled down on technical skills.
And, and what we've noticed, you know, throughout our existence for, for 20 years, we noticed how commoditized those skills became and how, you know, they got offshored or they, they, they got automated, and the whole industry became sort of a red ocean, you know, of, of everyone trying to... vying for the, the, the fewer spots.
so the, there was a thought process in about twen- 2013, 2014 which said, how do we move into areas, how do we upgrade into areas where relying on commodity skills anymore? How do we, how do we utilize our, like our human skills and not, not machine-related skills? And so that is when, uh, Massaro was born and we, uh, we became a management consulting firm, and our now focus is on soft skills and human skills that allow our customers to GSD, and, uh, you probably know what GSD stands for.
Uh, so we believe that it's the soft skills that are required to get stuff done, and that's what, you know, that's the focus of the company.
So w- 1989 is where, when I arrived in the US, and not on Ellis Island, on, in JFK, but nonetheless, uh, you know, came with a greater debt, uh, than I had money and, uh, you know, with American dream naturally lurking e- underneath my skin.
And, and so the American dream of, of course, opening, you know, my own business and, uh, a- and, and doing my own thing.
The first few years in New York City, uh, eventful, uneventful, I don't know, but, you know, I was a picker in a warehouse, $4 an hour.
... run warehouses these days, right? Uh, but back then, they used to pay $4 an hour.
Uh, the trade school, uh, allowed me to become a d- a developer and, and a technician, uh, you know, software engineer, and that's what carried me from, you know, the, the early '90s all the way through 2011 or so.
And, you know, the company that we created, uh, back then in 1996, uh, called Abryak, we doubled down on technical skills.
And, and what we've noticed, you know, throughout our existence for, for 20 years, we noticed how commoditized those skills became and how, you know, they got offshored or they, they, they got automated, and the whole industry became sort of a red ocean, you know, of, of everyone trying to... vying for the, the, the fewer spots.
so the, there was a thought process in about twen- 2013, 2014 which said, how do we move into areas, how do we upgrade into areas where relying on commodity skills anymore? How do we, how do we utilize our, like our human skills and not, not machine-related skills? And so that is when, uh, Massaro was born and we, uh, we became a management consulting firm, and our now focus is on soft skills and human skills that allow our customers to GSD, and, uh, you probably know what GSD stands for.
Uh, so we believe that it's the soft skills that are required to get stuff done, and that's what, you know, that's the focus of the company.
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