Lead the Team (Top 2% of Podcasts)
Sep 13, 2026 · 33 min · 12 segments
What do you do when everything goes wrong...and everyone is looking to you for answers? Chaim Mazal knows that feeling. As Chief Information Security Officer at **GitLab**, he operates in a world…
Chaim MazalGuestBen FanningHostThere are so many opportunities that are being created amongst these problems that we're facing with AI and security.
And I feel like your message today, like one of the things that's really resonating with me is making the choice to see those as an opportunity for yourself and career versus just like, oh my God, it's another frustration.
Um, I am one more curiosity I've got as you're making this choice to see the opportunities, use a positive mindset.
What are you doing to sort of maintain your own health, your own mental health? If you're making that choice, you are, you gotta be like on edge.
Like you're, maybe you're going out with your family one night and you've got to keep your phone with you because you know what? You might be at dinner.
And all of a sudden you're concerned that things are being leaked out into the dark net.
And I'm thinking about how you're thinking about it for yourself and how others need to be thinking about this when there's these quick responses that are needed.

I think, you know, the CISO role as far as like executive leadership probably has the highest rate of burnout because of all the stress and all the implications associated with it.

And one of the things that I found to work personally for me is physical activity.

If it means going on a challenging hike, if it means you know, going on a run, if it's lifting weights, if it's doing some kind of martial arts like Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

So it happens to be I've been a Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner for over eight years.
There are so many opportunities that are being created amongst these problems that we're facing with AI and security.
And I feel like your message today, like one of the things that's really resonating with me is making the choice to see those as an opportunity for yourself and career versus just like, oh my God, it's another frustration.
Um, I am one more curiosity I've got as you're making this choice to see the opportunities, use a positive mindset.
What are you doing to sort of maintain your own health, your own mental health? If you're making that choice, you are, you gotta be like on edge.
Like you're, maybe you're going out with your family one night and you've got to keep your phone with you because you know what? You might be at dinner.
And all of a sudden you're concerned that things are being leaked out into the dark net.
And I'm thinking about how you're thinking about it for yourself and how others need to be thinking about this when there's these quick responses that are needed.

I think, you know, the CISO role as far as like executive leadership probably has the highest rate of burnout because of all the stress and all the implications associated with it.

And one of the things that I found to work personally for me is physical activity.

If it means going on a challenging hike, if it means you know, going on a run, if it's lifting weights, if it's doing some kind of martial arts like Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

So it happens to be I've been a Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioner for over eight years.
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