Sep 16, 2026 · 38 min · 11 segments
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Alexa PullmanHostCaitlin TothvilleHostpick up on this education aspect? What is the role of educators in the creative sector? Because I think that...
So when you're at the very beginning of your craft, when you're a student and you're learning, Of course, it's very enticing to pick up, to do something that's going to make it faster, especially when you have a deadline.
And you've got all those stresses of trying to do something that you're going to get a good grade, etc.
So I think what's tricky is that it is so alluring, particularly if you've never had the experience of doing something slow.
And I think what's tricky about education is even though we are constantly in the U.K., being pushed towards a model where everything is faster and we're sort of meant to be training people for something very quickly.
When you learn something, often it's doing it the hard way and in a very slow way first because you have to explore and understand.
And for the very first time, grapple with something and that's to speed that up means you lose something you lose that learning and so that's you know that's the potential downside but huge potential upsides too so I think one of the things to say is I think as educators we have to be we maybe have to have more of a commitment to both very fast
what feels very cutting edge and what feels like we're really pushing the boundaries of our discipline in certain ways to do with tech but also really somehow finding better ways to um guide students through those slow slow and sometimes quite um um laborious laborious ways of slowly you know groping your way through the dark to

get to something and whether that's in your thinking or whether that's in your making practice and I think too like I was joking that there's like a term of like smooth brain tech and I think that that's a really good application of that term actually because it's like one of these things where you turn immediately to it you don't have to think it does it for you and you're not thinking critically anymore and And I know Alexa and I were talking like very briefly beforehand, you know, learning tech and learning how to do things just in general is it's learning a new language.

And when you think back to like that time when you're really young and you're just learning how to read or you're just learning the letters of the alphabet, even, for example, those are very like small steps and they take a while for those to really sink in.

culture of like almost instant gratification of knowing exactly how to do something the first time that you set out to do it is quite misleading.

And I think that there's a lot of people that have this expectation, especially with like what we're presented to in society now that you're the first time you do something, it's going to be right or that it's going to be perfect.

And I just I think we need to be okay with understanding that that's not how that works at all.
pick up on this education aspect? What is the role of educators in the creative sector? Because I think that...
So when you're at the very beginning of your craft, when you're a student and you're learning, Of course, it's very enticing to pick up, to do something that's going to make it faster, especially when you have a deadline.
And you've got all those stresses of trying to do something that you're going to get a good grade, etc.
So I think what's tricky is that it is so alluring, particularly if you've never had the experience of doing something slow.
And I think what's tricky about education is even though we are constantly in the U.K., being pushed towards a model where everything is faster and we're sort of meant to be training people for something very quickly.
When you learn something, often it's doing it the hard way and in a very slow way first because you have to explore and understand.
And for the very first time, grapple with something and that's to speed that up means you lose something you lose that learning and so that's you know that's the potential downside but huge potential upsides too so I think one of the things to say is I think as educators we have to be we maybe have to have more of a commitment to both very fast
what feels very cutting edge and what feels like we're really pushing the boundaries of our discipline in certain ways to do with tech but also really somehow finding better ways to um guide students through those slow slow and sometimes quite um um laborious laborious ways of slowly you know groping your way through the dark to

get to something and whether that's in your thinking or whether that's in your making practice and I think too like I was joking that there's like a term of like smooth brain tech and I think that that's a really good application of that term actually because it's like one of these things where you turn immediately to it you don't have to think it does it for you and you're not thinking critically anymore and And I know Alexa and I were talking like very briefly beforehand, you know, learning tech and learning how to do things just in general is it's learning a new language.

And when you think back to like that time when you're really young and you're just learning how to read or you're just learning the letters of the alphabet, even, for example, those are very like small steps and they take a while for those to really sink in.

culture of like almost instant gratification of knowing exactly how to do something the first time that you set out to do it is quite misleading.

And I think that there's a lot of people that have this expectation, especially with like what we're presented to in society now that you're the first time you do something, it's going to be right or that it's going to be perfect.

And I just I think we need to be okay with understanding that that's not how that works at all.
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