It's not all about the numbers!
Sep 8, 2026 · 38 min · 10 segments
What separates a manager from a leader? In this episode of *It's Not All About the Numbers*, Chris Argent and Mike Rose are joined by **Dr Veronika von Heise-Rotenburg**, CFO and Managing Director at…
Veronika von Heise-RotenburgGuest
Chris ArgentHost
Mike RoseHostI can, let's say, at least easily understand them, even if not grabbing all the complexity of the language.
And what I meant was, if you're the best person to do a certain work, you're not necessarily the best lead of a team that does the same kind of task.
And that's what this particular contact, who is a friend of mine, offers with his company.
So what was the process that you went through to learn how to lead your organization?
I would say, in fact, Most of the vocational training has set the tone and given me the tools to do it.
Because there's a lot of things that you can talk through theoretically.
And when you're in that situation yourself, like letting someone go, like having to deal with a team lead that's doing sloppy work, but a very nice person or under personal pressure, then all the theory fades and you need someone to challenge you to talk that through, to build your own opinion and then to act upon it.
And that's still work that cannot be trained, that needs to be challenged and needs to be done by each person in their own pace.
Do you feel that people understand that it is quite a different skill set? I almost feel that people see leadership as, I don't know, you know, doing more management, doing, you know, things that I do to manage, but just, you know, maybe a more senior level.
Because it sounds like you're saying leadership is actually a very different thing.
Managing means that you staff teams, that you distribute tasks, that you see that everything is done, that a certain planning exists, that everything that needs to be done to run that company is somehow done.
Leadership means attracting the right people, inspiring the right people, developing the right people for their next role.
But if you can combine, let's say, good management skills and great leadership skills, I'm sure that will make yourself and your employer and your team much more successful than just managing what they do.
I can, let's say, at least easily understand them, even if not grabbing all the complexity of the language.
And what I meant was, if you're the best person to do a certain work, you're not necessarily the best lead of a team that does the same kind of task.
And that's what this particular contact, who is a friend of mine, offers with his company.
So what was the process that you went through to learn how to lead your organization?
I would say, in fact, Most of the vocational training has set the tone and given me the tools to do it.
Because there's a lot of things that you can talk through theoretically.
And when you're in that situation yourself, like letting someone go, like having to deal with a team lead that's doing sloppy work, but a very nice person or under personal pressure, then all the theory fades and you need someone to challenge you to talk that through, to build your own opinion and then to act upon it.
And that's still work that cannot be trained, that needs to be challenged and needs to be done by each person in their own pace.
Do you feel that people understand that it is quite a different skill set? I almost feel that people see leadership as, I don't know, you know, doing more management, doing, you know, things that I do to manage, but just, you know, maybe a more senior level.
Because it sounds like you're saying leadership is actually a very different thing.
Managing means that you staff teams, that you distribute tasks, that you see that everything is done, that a certain planning exists, that everything that needs to be done to run that company is somehow done.
Leadership means attracting the right people, inspiring the right people, developing the right people for their next role.
But if you can combine, let's say, good management skills and great leadership skills, I'm sure that will make yourself and your employer and your team much more successful than just managing what they do.
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