Jun 17, 2026 · 1 hr 13 min · 13 segments
On this special episode, we had the opportunity to interview Steve Wiener, a longtime friend of the show, and a prolific musician – working on several bands, including Eveale, Am I In Trouble…
Steve WienerGuest
Justin CorbettHost
Christian RennerHost
So all, all the bands you met through AmpWall, you know, and I've been involved in the AmpWall community as well for a while.
AmpWall is Probably the easiest way to describe it is like a, a Bandcamp alternative.
It was founded by Chris Grigg, who a lot of metal people probably know because he's the frontman of the black metal band Woe, and the drummer of the band Glorious Depravity.
But he's also a very talented web devel- like, developer, and he got together, like, a great team of other developers who are largely from metal backgrounds.
So when the platform started, a lot of people perceived it as, like, a largely metal platform.
But in general, I think a lot of people have been drawn to it because there's no venture capital funding, there's no larger corporate ownership.
You know, it's owned by the people who, who run it, and they're all musicians and visual artists, so they developed the platform largely from the mindset of the person who's gonna be using it.
And I think people are hungry for that right now because Bandcamp has gone through two different corporate acquisitions in the span of a year and a half or something.
Epic Games bought it, and then barely held onto it for a year before selling it to Songtradr.
[sighs] When, when Songtradr bought it, they wound up firing, like, a huge number of employees, and the majority of them were members of the union there, including all the-
So all, all the bands you met through AmpWall, you know, and I've been involved in the AmpWall community as well for a while.
AmpWall is Probably the easiest way to describe it is like a, a Bandcamp alternative.
It was founded by Chris Grigg, who a lot of metal people probably know because he's the frontman of the black metal band Woe, and the drummer of the band Glorious Depravity.
But he's also a very talented web devel- like, developer, and he got together, like, a great team of other developers who are largely from metal backgrounds.
So when the platform started, a lot of people perceived it as, like, a largely metal platform.
But in general, I think a lot of people have been drawn to it because there's no venture capital funding, there's no larger corporate ownership.
You know, it's owned by the people who, who run it, and they're all musicians and visual artists, so they developed the platform largely from the mindset of the person who's gonna be using it.
And I think people are hungry for that right now because Bandcamp has gone through two different corporate acquisitions in the span of a year and a half or something.
Epic Games bought it, and then barely held onto it for a year before selling it to Songtradr.
[sighs] When, when Songtradr bought it, they wound up firing, like, a huge number of employees, and the majority of them were members of the union there, including all the-
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