Aug 13, 2026 · 50 min · 13 segments
This week, I’m bringing back a conversation from the archives with Ethan Kross, one of the world’s leading experts on the conscious mind and the author of *Chatter* and *Shift*. I wanted to replay…
One, I think, really important distinction that I've benefited from, and I think people have too, is, is if we're thinking about, like, people's mental life, you know, the thoughts popping through their head, we often don't have control over the thoughts that pop up in our head at any given moment in time.
So I know you're, you're a cyclist, and you're-- is that-- am I using the right professional term?
You know, when you're on the bike, I mean, I'm sure thoughts pop up in your head all the time.
I remember one time I was teaching a class on the science of self-control to undergraduates here at Michigan, and, you know, we were talking about this issue, like when people are showing that they have self-control versus not, and we're talking about a case where you just ha- you have a temptation to, like, eat a cookie after eight PM, but you don't follow through with it.
And other students were like, "No, they had the thought, and if you have the thought, that means you failed." And my response to those students was, "You're setting a really high bar for being successful at managing yourself if you're setting the bar at being able to control what pops into your head," 'cause I don't think that is a controllable thing.
And another distinction I wanted to ask you about is the difference between self-control and willpower.
The way I think about willpower is this idea that we can just muscle through a challenge that we're faced with, a self-control challenge.
And, and I use the term of self-control to refer to this broad idea of you've got some goals, right? Things you wanna get out of this experience in the world, and how do you follow through with those goals, uh, with respect to your thoughts, your feelings, and your behaviors.
One, I think, really important distinction that I've benefited from, and I think people have too, is, is if we're thinking about, like, people's mental life, you know, the thoughts popping through their head, we often don't have control over the thoughts that pop up in our head at any given moment in time.
So I know you're, you're a cyclist, and you're-- is that-- am I using the right professional term?
You know, when you're on the bike, I mean, I'm sure thoughts pop up in your head all the time.
I remember one time I was teaching a class on the science of self-control to undergraduates here at Michigan, and, you know, we were talking about this issue, like when people are showing that they have self-control versus not, and we're talking about a case where you just ha- you have a temptation to, like, eat a cookie after eight PM, but you don't follow through with it.
And other students were like, "No, they had the thought, and if you have the thought, that means you failed." And my response to those students was, "You're setting a really high bar for being successful at managing yourself if you're setting the bar at being able to control what pops into your head," 'cause I don't think that is a controllable thing.
And another distinction I wanted to ask you about is the difference between self-control and willpower.
The way I think about willpower is this idea that we can just muscle through a challenge that we're faced with, a self-control challenge.
And, and I use the term of self-control to refer to this broad idea of you've got some goals, right? Things you wanna get out of this experience in the world, and how do you follow through with those goals, uh, with respect to your thoughts, your feelings, and your behaviors.
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