Oct 15, 2026 · 20 min · 7 segments
Kaja Kallas, the EU's top diplomat, speaks exclusively to Maria Tadeo as EU leaders arrive in Brussels for a crucial EU summit on spiralling energy prices, an unfinished seven-year budget, and Donald…
Stefan GrobeHost
Kaja KallasGuest
Maria TadeoTareq Abu GhazalehGuest
It started with that diesel deal with Russia, and now there seems to be real operational issues when it comes to the intel, uh, on the ground in Ukraine.
Uh, the question is what, uh, uh, is he giving in return? What we see, he's actually increasing the attacks on the civilian and civilian infrastructure.
The ceasefire that was also announced is not, uh, really working on the Russian side.
The Ukrainians say, "We have to because that is the core of the operation, the money maker for Russia." In your view as a top European diplomat, should Ukraine hit them?
I mean, uh, the core issue is that, uh, Russia should stop this war so, so there wouldn't be any attacks on the refineries either.
But, you know, if we, if we look at the, uh, big picture, then, uh, the m- majority of the financing for this war comes from oil and, and that is why Ukraine is also targeting them, while Russia is targeting the energy infrastructure inside, uh, Ukraine to cause as much suffering for the Ukrainian people for the upcoming winter.
And is this escalation we've seen s- uh, since August on the cities? But just to pick up on this point, would you say, yes, the president of Ukraine has a legitimate point, he is right to hit the refineries?
If we look at the, uh, you know, the international law, it is clear that, uh, it is in defense of Ukraine because that is where the funding comes for this war to kill, uh, Ukrainian people every day.
And, uh, to me it seems the administration is looking currently at the scenario suggesting that the war is now not going to change.
It started with that diesel deal with Russia, and now there seems to be real operational issues when it comes to the intel, uh, on the ground in Ukraine.
Uh, the question is what, uh, uh, is he giving in return? What we see, he's actually increasing the attacks on the civilian and civilian infrastructure.
The ceasefire that was also announced is not, uh, really working on the Russian side.
The Ukrainians say, "We have to because that is the core of the operation, the money maker for Russia." In your view as a top European diplomat, should Ukraine hit them?
I mean, uh, the core issue is that, uh, Russia should stop this war so, so there wouldn't be any attacks on the refineries either.
But, you know, if we, if we look at the, uh, big picture, then, uh, the m- majority of the financing for this war comes from oil and, and that is why Ukraine is also targeting them, while Russia is targeting the energy infrastructure inside, uh, Ukraine to cause as much suffering for the Ukrainian people for the upcoming winter.
And is this escalation we've seen s- uh, since August on the cities? But just to pick up on this point, would you say, yes, the president of Ukraine has a legitimate point, he is right to hit the refineries?
If we look at the, uh, you know, the international law, it is clear that, uh, it is in defense of Ukraine because that is where the funding comes for this war to kill, uh, Ukrainian people every day.
And, uh, to me it seems the administration is looking currently at the scenario suggesting that the war is now not going to change.
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