Aug 18, 2026 · 1 hr 24 min · 16 segments
In this episode of *Dog Trainers UnPACT*, Steve sits down with Clinical Animal Behaviourist Danielle Beck (MSc) for a deeply insightful and honest conversation about animal behaviour, trauma-informed…
Danielle BeckGuest
Steve GoodallHost
I think, I think the more, the more you're, especially for people that are just getting into the industry that might be listening to this, I think the kind of more you move through it, the grayer things get,
which I
think is a bad thing necessarily.
And

some of the best trainers I know, I think, have you ever heard of Peter Gilgium? Um, he's a, uh, uh, I think he worked in SeaWorld for a little bit but I think he worked he was in a zoo in um I think he might have even been in Copenhagen at one point possibly so I wonder if he might have even been at that conference but I was like maybe maybe I

yeah her book was released when I was in Copenhagen I have a signed copy of her book

I think that's an important lesson because when you start on this journey, I think, again, broad brushstrokes here, but you tend to be quite...

When you learn a little bit, it's that Dunning-Kruger thing, isn't it? You learn a little bit and you're like, you're quite dogmatic about everything.

And quite intense and prepared to argue for like, you know, four years about a topic or something along those lines.

And then as you progress through, you start to let go of those little things and find those grey areas.

I think, I think the more, the more you're, especially for people that are just getting into the industry that might be listening to this, I think the kind of more you move through it, the grayer things get,
which I
think is a bad thing necessarily.
And

some of the best trainers I know, I think, have you ever heard of Peter Gilgium? Um, he's a, uh, uh, I think he worked in SeaWorld for a little bit but I think he worked he was in a zoo in um I think he might have even been in Copenhagen at one point possibly so I wonder if he might have even been at that conference but I was like maybe maybe I

yeah her book was released when I was in Copenhagen I have a signed copy of her book

I think that's an important lesson because when you start on this journey, I think, again, broad brushstrokes here, but you tend to be quite...

When you learn a little bit, it's that Dunning-Kruger thing, isn't it? You learn a little bit and you're like, you're quite dogmatic about everything.

And quite intense and prepared to argue for like, you know, four years about a topic or something along those lines.

And then as you progress through, you start to let go of those little things and find those grey areas.
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