Oct 28, 2026 · 1 hr · 18 segments
Who is responsible when improperly secured freight causes a crash—the truck driver, shipper, or motor carrier? On this episode of Do You Even Freight?!, hosts Shimmi, Kevin, and John tackle one of…
Kevin BullockHostJohn CanterasHost
Shimmi MunsonHost
Pam Transport is asking the FMCSA for a five-year exemption from a requirement involving commercial learners permit holders.

So before everybody panics and thinks they're putting somebody with absolutely zero training behind the wheel of an 80,000-pound truck, that's not what this request says.


So right now, the supervising CDL holder generally has to be sitting in front in the front passenger seat.

Am I correct in that assessment? Basically, what they're wanting to do is they're wanting to put a trainer and someone that is still basically in CDL school.

So they're wanting to put a trainee without a CDL but with a permit and the trainer in a truck in a team situation and have the trainee driving while the trainer is in the sleeper berth.
We're not in their boardroom, so of course we don't know for sure, but it is what it sounds like.

Pam Transport is asking the FMCSA for a five-year exemption from a requirement involving commercial learners permit holders.

So before everybody panics and thinks they're putting somebody with absolutely zero training behind the wheel of an 80,000-pound truck, that's not what this request says.


So right now, the supervising CDL holder generally has to be sitting in front in the front passenger seat.

Am I correct in that assessment? Basically, what they're wanting to do is they're wanting to put a trainer and someone that is still basically in CDL school.

So they're wanting to put a trainee without a CDL but with a permit and the trainer in a truck in a team situation and have the trainee driving while the trainer is in the sleeper berth.
We're not in their boardroom, so of course we don't know for sure, but it is what it sounds like.
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