Oct 13, 2026 · 16 min · 9 segments
What happens when the identity you've built for years suddenly disappears? In this episode of **Derive Insights**, I sit down with **Leo Dulay**, a transformational coach, hypnotherapist, NLP…
Leo DulayGuest
Etu DanielHost
Now, just before we dive into talking to-- we're talking about what I titled "The You Problem," the identity by design, uh, releasing the past, and when the identity disappeared.

And I think our first question will be coming from what I titled, "When the Identity Disappeared." You spent 22 years at AT&T before being laid off.

It became the moment in my life that forced me to confront who I was without that job, the routine, and the identity I had built over 22 years.

Losing my career right before COVID stripped away that external structure I had relied on all my life.

For the first time in 22 years, I had asked-- had to ask myself a question I avoided: Who am I when everything familiar is gone? That disruption created space, uncomfortable space, but necessary space.

It was a doorway to a new life, reinvention, and the realization that I wasn't my job anymore, and I wasn't my past.

That's, uh, now thanks for sharing that and I would love to ask a final question to that, which you just added.

The question is, when did you realize the real challenge wasn't just finding another job?

It was like internally I was living in a loop, you know, the same thoughts, same emotions, same identity.

You know, I kept trying to change my circumstances, but my internal state hadn't changed.

I was still carrying that fear, that insecurity, and the unsecured emotions from the layoff from my-- in every new situation I had.

So it was about a year and a half of feeling like I was moving forward on paper, but not progressing internally.

So I would say that was eventually that pushed me to do more work into myself and start the transformation because I realized my environment wasn't the problem, my identity was.

Now, just before we dive into talking to-- we're talking about what I titled "The You Problem," the identity by design, uh, releasing the past, and when the identity disappeared.

And I think our first question will be coming from what I titled, "When the Identity Disappeared." You spent 22 years at AT&T before being laid off.

It became the moment in my life that forced me to confront who I was without that job, the routine, and the identity I had built over 22 years.

Losing my career right before COVID stripped away that external structure I had relied on all my life.

For the first time in 22 years, I had asked-- had to ask myself a question I avoided: Who am I when everything familiar is gone? That disruption created space, uncomfortable space, but necessary space.

It was a doorway to a new life, reinvention, and the realization that I wasn't my job anymore, and I wasn't my past.

That's, uh, now thanks for sharing that and I would love to ask a final question to that, which you just added.

The question is, when did you realize the real challenge wasn't just finding another job?

It was like internally I was living in a loop, you know, the same thoughts, same emotions, same identity.

You know, I kept trying to change my circumstances, but my internal state hadn't changed.

I was still carrying that fear, that insecurity, and the unsecured emotions from the layoff from my-- in every new situation I had.

So it was about a year and a half of feeling like I was moving forward on paper, but not progressing internally.

So I would say that was eventually that pushed me to do more work into myself and start the transformation because I realized my environment wasn't the problem, my identity was.
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