Sep 21, 2026 · 34 min · 9 segments
In this episode, Paola sits down with Sonja Gibbs to unpack the shifting global debt landscape – tariffs, supply-chain strain and higher interest rates driving up government and corporate borrowing…
Sonja GibbsGuest
Paola SubacchiHost
I will say that in sort of policy discussions, if you listen to, say, European policymakers talk about the pressures generated by the need to have more defense spending, more spending on energy security and so on, it's kind of an impetus to... finally move toward a deepening of making deeper capital markets a priority, right? As opposed to like some long-term project that can just sit on the back burner forever.

Because it becomes existential, right? If you're able to generate growth, growth is at such a premium in this kind of hyper competitive world.

If you have wonderful capital markets to support growth, It's a huge advantage, right?

And for the Europeans, there is a lot that can be done with a capital markets union to move away from bank loans and bank financing to a different type of finance, including private equity, which is... very much not to the level that it should be in a continent, in an area like Europe.

I mean, a diversified pool of funding sources is always going to give you a better result than over-reliance on one specific sector.

Yeah, and it's important to stress it's not to financialize the economy, it's to provide more sources of capital, and particularly in a region like Europe where there is a high level of savings, but there is also a region with an aging population, with productivity problems and growth problems.

I will say that in sort of policy discussions, if you listen to, say, European policymakers talk about the pressures generated by the need to have more defense spending, more spending on energy security and so on, it's kind of an impetus to... finally move toward a deepening of making deeper capital markets a priority, right? As opposed to like some long-term project that can just sit on the back burner forever.

Because it becomes existential, right? If you're able to generate growth, growth is at such a premium in this kind of hyper competitive world.

If you have wonderful capital markets to support growth, It's a huge advantage, right?

And for the Europeans, there is a lot that can be done with a capital markets union to move away from bank loans and bank financing to a different type of finance, including private equity, which is... very much not to the level that it should be in a continent, in an area like Europe.

I mean, a diversified pool of funding sources is always going to give you a better result than over-reliance on one specific sector.

Yeah, and it's important to stress it's not to financialize the economy, it's to provide more sources of capital, and particularly in a region like Europe where there is a high level of savings, but there is also a region with an aging population, with productivity problems and growth problems.
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