Episode 373 - Our Ancestors Want Us to Be Mushrooms: Change & Magic with Madison Murphy Barney

Yes.

Well, it sounds like it's almost like an adventure, which I think is really interesting because it's like both of what, you know, both your career as a doula and as a writer writing this book is like examining these things and finding your path and finding the map forward and where it will lead to in finding, I suspect, some nooks and crannies that you didn't know, right? Those special places that you find along the road that you're like, oh, that was cool.

I didn't know that even existed.

Yeah, absolutely.

So

we're

always finding something new too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You never know when you're going to turn down the wrong road and be like, Oh, that's cool.

I've never seen that before.

Yeah.

I was asked the other day, you know, like what would one, um, like thing, you know, that readers or listeners could leave with in terms of like a practice for reconnection.

And my answer to that is always curiosity.

You know, like when we have that lens of curiosity and of wondering, like life slows down and becomes more interesting and like possibilities emerge.

And there's just like, when we take time to ask those questions and be curious, you find those nooks and crannies and you find a path and And, but it really requires that just sort of like lens of curiosity just offers so much.

It's such a generous lens.

Yeah.

Do you find that too, when you lean in with a little bit of curiosity, it kind of quiets the noise around us as much because then we're more focused on that than we are on whatever happens around us.

Yeah, and it interrupts our stories, right? You know, like it's so easy to get in a story about like, oh, this means this and thus this and the other thing.

And if you just, when you introduce curiosity in a question, it sort of upends that like these steep narratives we can get in about like, how things are and, you know, and it just creates so many more possibilities when it's like, well, what if it means something else? What if it's different? What if it's not that? And I think especially curiosity can be an interrupter for the times where we're like being particularly harsh or feel stuck in some sort of like rumination or something of just like having another question available just allows that sort of like, oh, it can sort of like snap out of things that can feel really like entrenched and we can feel really stuck in.

I find myself in those all the time.

That's very cool.

And you had said there's like lessons in the book about lessons we can learn from mushrooms then?

Yeah, yeah.

Yes.

Well, it sounds like it's almost like an adventure, which I think is really interesting because it's like both of what, you know, both your career as a doula and as a writer writing this book is like examining these things and finding your path and finding the map forward and where it will lead to in finding, I suspect, some nooks and crannies that you didn't know, right? Those special places that you find along the road that you're like, oh, that was cool.

I didn't know that even existed.

Yeah, absolutely.

So

we're

always finding something new too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You never know when you're going to turn down the wrong road and be like, Oh, that's cool.

I've never seen that before.

Yeah.

I was asked the other day, you know, like what would one, um, like thing, you know, that readers or listeners could leave with in terms of like a practice for reconnection.

And my answer to that is always curiosity.

You know, like when we have that lens of curiosity and of wondering, like life slows down and becomes more interesting and like possibilities emerge.

And there's just like, when we take time to ask those questions and be curious, you find those nooks and crannies and you find a path and And, but it really requires that just sort of like lens of curiosity just offers so much.

It's such a generous lens.

Yeah.

Do you find that too, when you lean in with a little bit of curiosity, it kind of quiets the noise around us as much because then we're more focused on that than we are on whatever happens around us.

Yeah, and it interrupts our stories, right? You know, like it's so easy to get in a story about like, oh, this means this and thus this and the other thing.

And if you just, when you introduce curiosity in a question, it sort of upends that like these steep narratives we can get in about like, how things are and, you know, and it just creates so many more possibilities when it's like, well, what if it means something else? What if it's different? What if it's not that? And I think especially curiosity can be an interrupter for the times where we're like being particularly harsh or feel stuck in some sort of like rumination or something of just like having another question available just allows that sort of like, oh, it can sort of like snap out of things that can feel really like entrenched and we can feel really stuck in.

I find myself in those all the time.

That's very cool.

And you had said there's like lessons in the book about lessons we can learn from mushrooms then?

Yeah, yeah.