What the Elizabeth Holmes Documentary Leaves Out

I mean, I think she's definitely trying to... portray herself as someone who doesn't understand the world around her.

And this is maybe where part of our disagreement is.

I am open to the possibility that she doesn't understand the world around her.

I think she still committed fraud.

I think she still lied.

I think she knew she was lying.

But there is sort of an interesting question that this movie raised for me about, I don't know, is Elizabeth Holmes... absolutely diabolical which i think is eliza's opinion or um is there something else going on

i've never in my lifetime have seen anything quite like you can see everything

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we'll talk about today is, or is she somebody who is just incredibly easily manipulated by men? And I don't know if that's the message she was trying to send in this movie.

That's certainly the message she tried to send at her trial about her first relationship with her co-defendant, Sonny Balwani.

But you do walk away from this movie feeling she might be a victim of her current partner, Billy.

And so, you know, to me, I think...

i was shocked i was shocked that i walked away feeling complicated feelings towards her

Listen, I can confidently say after representing over 5,000 people over the course of 15 years that there were plenty of people I represented who were innocent, even some of whom were convicted of the crime.

Right.

Oh, absolutely.

So I'm not saying that a conviction necessarily means that someone was guilty.

We know that wrongful convictions exist.

I do not think that Elizabeth Holmes is one of those people.

You know, I think that that this is someone who has been unbelievably calculating, who we watched.

lie on camera.

Even the lying exchange where Nathan says, like, have you ever lied in your life? And she's like, no.