Jun 2, 2026 · 28 min · 10 segments
Perfectionism has a sneaky way of turning a perfectly good life into a project you can never finish. I sit down with author, fiber artist, and motivational speaker Lorie Kleiner Eckhert to talk about…
Lorie Kleiner EckertGuestCarol CleggHostBut we, uh, we were talking at the beginning about your latest book called the Chai on Life.
And can you just share with the listeners the meaning of chai and how it has helped you approach your transitions in life?

So if you've heard the toast at a, a Jewish wedding, which is also often depicted on the big screen 'cause they like when you stomp the glass, so it's often in movies.

So with this book, I'm kinda drinking a toast to life, and that word, C-H-A-I, can be chai or it can be-

And, and I like the mysticism of it also because there's something magical or whatever, and maybe there is something magical as we get older.

But I have to tell you, Carol, that I've learned so much [laughs] from my kids.

So my daughter Lisa is a social worker, and we were sharing a hotel once and I said, I came out of taking, from taking a shower and I said, "I'm such a mental midget.

I couldn't figure out how to turn the shower on." And she's the mother of three boys, and she said to me, "Could you rephrase that so that you're nicer to yourself?" And I said, "Oh yeah.

That shower is really hard to figure out, but I did it." [laughs] You know? So we learn, we learn from everyone and everywhere.

... a collection when we get, you know, well, at any stage it's all a collection.
But we, uh, we were talking at the beginning about your latest book called the Chai on Life.
And can you just share with the listeners the meaning of chai and how it has helped you approach your transitions in life?

So if you've heard the toast at a, a Jewish wedding, which is also often depicted on the big screen 'cause they like when you stomp the glass, so it's often in movies.

So with this book, I'm kinda drinking a toast to life, and that word, C-H-A-I, can be chai or it can be-

And, and I like the mysticism of it also because there's something magical or whatever, and maybe there is something magical as we get older.

But I have to tell you, Carol, that I've learned so much [laughs] from my kids.

So my daughter Lisa is a social worker, and we were sharing a hotel once and I said, I came out of taking, from taking a shower and I said, "I'm such a mental midget.

I couldn't figure out how to turn the shower on." And she's the mother of three boys, and she said to me, "Could you rephrase that so that you're nicer to yourself?" And I said, "Oh yeah.

That shower is really hard to figure out, but I did it." [laughs] You know? So we learn, we learn from everyone and everywhere.

... a collection when we get, you know, well, at any stage it's all a collection.
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