Capital Link Podcasts - Riding the Waves of A Lifetime
Oct 20, 2026 · 57 min · 11 segments
Emanuele GrimaldiGuestNicholas BourneauHost
Then we come probably to the most controversial issue, which is the environment and the so-called decarbonization.

When we come to this, and I think you have been also advocating, you had many conferences also with your organization, so you've been contributing a lot.

But I must say, you know, whilst probably someone could be a bit unhappy of the development so far.

I must say that we, as the World Shipowner Organization, but I would say we as shipowners, as entrepreneurs, in a very difficult, very different location, from north to south, from east to west, and with very different type of businesses, because you cannot compare really cruises with tankers, with bulkers, with Roro, with car carriers.

And we found an agreement, even an expensive agreement for ourselves, very ambitious agreement.

And I think we have been also preparing the work and explaining how we could reach that goal and that targeted within 2015. which of course, I repeat, is very ambitious, but we did it in a very also pragmatic way to reach this goal.

It is very regrettable that whilst the entrepreneurs who are paying the bill were so responsible, the politicians and the administrative bodies were not capable of finding an agreement.

The states and the politicians were not able, although they are not paying the bill for it, probably they are lucrating also from the payment that we would have done.

This demonstrates that in today's time, probably The shipowners are there, the entrepreneurs are there with sense of responsibility and so on.
Emmanuel, what do you think will happen going forward? I mean, you opened the door to one of the most critical topics and you have been working so much on that.

We have been leading and demonstrating how to reach also this solution through our work that we have bought Ford and we have expressed at the IMO, but they have not been able to find it.

And this explains what is the level of politicians we have, unfortunately, in many places and many countries, how irresponsible they are.

Both Ford position and solution where we would have paid this expensive bill to decarbonize the world.

Then we come probably to the most controversial issue, which is the environment and the so-called decarbonization.

When we come to this, and I think you have been also advocating, you had many conferences also with your organization, so you've been contributing a lot.

But I must say, you know, whilst probably someone could be a bit unhappy of the development so far.

I must say that we, as the World Shipowner Organization, but I would say we as shipowners, as entrepreneurs, in a very difficult, very different location, from north to south, from east to west, and with very different type of businesses, because you cannot compare really cruises with tankers, with bulkers, with Roro, with car carriers.

And we found an agreement, even an expensive agreement for ourselves, very ambitious agreement.

And I think we have been also preparing the work and explaining how we could reach that goal and that targeted within 2015. which of course, I repeat, is very ambitious, but we did it in a very also pragmatic way to reach this goal.

It is very regrettable that whilst the entrepreneurs who are paying the bill were so responsible, the politicians and the administrative bodies were not capable of finding an agreement.

The states and the politicians were not able, although they are not paying the bill for it, probably they are lucrating also from the payment that we would have done.

This demonstrates that in today's time, probably The shipowners are there, the entrepreneurs are there with sense of responsibility and so on.
Emmanuel, what do you think will happen going forward? I mean, you opened the door to one of the most critical topics and you have been working so much on that.

We have been leading and demonstrating how to reach also this solution through our work that we have bought Ford and we have expressed at the IMO, but they have not been able to find it.

And this explains what is the level of politicians we have, unfortunately, in many places and many countries, how irresponsible they are.

Both Ford position and solution where we would have paid this expensive bill to decarbonize the world.
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