Now, what did you see in that opportunity at that time that perhaps others did not see?

Look, in the...

All times when I started in our group, we were, I would say, an important company, but nationwide.

The reference always was to your country.

So the level that you were also within the Italian ship owners, you were looking which were the most important shipping companies.

That time, I think, apart from Laura and Costa, Grimaldi, Fascio, and many other clerics, there were D'Amico, several prominent families who were ship owners.

But in this activity, because your reference was the Italian market, mainly.

How different is it to lead an organization whose purpose is to represent an entire industry rather than a company with a clearly defined ownership and commercial objective.