Jun 17, 2026 · 39 min · 12 segments
Workplace culture has been pushed back into the "soft and fluffy" bucket. Nick McClelland, CEO of Byrne Dean, thinks that's a serious commercial mistake. In this episode, Nick joins host and…
Nick McClellandGuest
Alex SmithHost
And you've got a really interesting background, quite a mix, law, professional rugby, a long career in HR and workplace benefits consulting, and now you're leading Burndean.
Can you give us a quick introduction, who you are, what you do and how you got here?
I guess it is a bit of an interesting background coming from professional sport into an arena I knew nothing about, which was employee benefits about 20 years ago.
And that kind of gave me the entrance into the world of HR, which I had no clue about whenever I started on that journey.
But yeah, over the last 20 or so years, I've spent time in benefits and health and well-being, and most recently in workplace behavior, which has probably been the most interesting two years of the whole 20 so far.
We've had a small conversation on the podcast about it before, but it'd be really interesting to get sort of where you sit on it.
And you have spent a long time working on organizations on that workplace culture and leadership.
You've been talking on social media around performance pressure and what those changing expectations are around work, which I found hugely interesting and useful.
But I suppose the question is to you, do you think we are really fundamentally entering an era where everything is about to change and how businesses think about people is about to change?
And you've got a really interesting background, quite a mix, law, professional rugby, a long career in HR and workplace benefits consulting, and now you're leading Burndean.
Can you give us a quick introduction, who you are, what you do and how you got here?
I guess it is a bit of an interesting background coming from professional sport into an arena I knew nothing about, which was employee benefits about 20 years ago.
And that kind of gave me the entrance into the world of HR, which I had no clue about whenever I started on that journey.
But yeah, over the last 20 or so years, I've spent time in benefits and health and well-being, and most recently in workplace behavior, which has probably been the most interesting two years of the whole 20 so far.
We've had a small conversation on the podcast about it before, but it'd be really interesting to get sort of where you sit on it.
And you have spent a long time working on organizations on that workplace culture and leadership.
You've been talking on social media around performance pressure and what those changing expectations are around work, which I found hugely interesting and useful.
But I suppose the question is to you, do you think we are really fundamentally entering an era where everything is about to change and how businesses think about people is about to change?
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