Oct 27, 2026 · 54 min · 13 segments
The world's best athletes train their minds to perform under pressure. So why do so many business leaders overlook theirs? Today's guest has turned the psychology of championship-winning teams into a…
Michael GervaisGuestSammy PetersonHost
One of the only three coaches in the NFL that also won a championship in college.

He said something once to a small group that we're working with that stuck with me.

He said, as a leader, if you don't have a clear vision... and you don't really understand the way you want the culture to feel, and, so there's two ands, and you are not the emblem of that, you are not the epitome of that, you will be exposed because people are watching, players are watching, your employee base are watching.

So if you don't have a clear vision, you don't have an understanding of how you want it to work, and you are not the living emblem of that, He says, I don't know how you last.

What is your compelling future that you're working towards? How does it feel to be us? And then to walk that talk you have to invest in your psychology because you are exposed at the moment of high stress.

Do you snap at people? Do you belittle them? Do you constrict them? Or do you open up the aperture of potential? Do you see what they could become and who you could become and hold that as the standard? I just don't know how to do it without like, If you want to be physically fit, Sammy, like you want to be like really fit, how much time do you need to spend in the gym per week? Just what do

Elite athletes do not spend more than four hours doing the physicalness of their job per day.

But for the rest of us, I actually think we can get away with 20 to 40 minutes of doing some physical work every day.

One of the only three coaches in the NFL that also won a championship in college.

He said something once to a small group that we're working with that stuck with me.

He said, as a leader, if you don't have a clear vision... and you don't really understand the way you want the culture to feel, and, so there's two ands, and you are not the emblem of that, you are not the epitome of that, you will be exposed because people are watching, players are watching, your employee base are watching.

So if you don't have a clear vision, you don't have an understanding of how you want it to work, and you are not the living emblem of that, He says, I don't know how you last.

What is your compelling future that you're working towards? How does it feel to be us? And then to walk that talk you have to invest in your psychology because you are exposed at the moment of high stress.

Do you snap at people? Do you belittle them? Do you constrict them? Or do you open up the aperture of potential? Do you see what they could become and who you could become and hold that as the standard? I just don't know how to do it without like, If you want to be physically fit, Sammy, like you want to be like really fit, how much time do you need to spend in the gym per week? Just what do

Elite athletes do not spend more than four hours doing the physicalness of their job per day.

But for the rest of us, I actually think we can get away with 20 to 40 minutes of doing some physical work every day.
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