Jul 2, 2026 · 43 min · 13 segments
**Summary:** In this episode of Beyond the Status Quo, Tamara and Kathryn speak with Allana Gay, headteacher, education consultant and co-founder of the BAMEed Network, about why representation in…
Allana GayGuest
Catherine GormanHostTamara Zapel-WolfsHost
And that's the durability of it as well speaks to, as you say, the appetite for it.
Or the, maybe not resistance, but perhaps lack of understanding, you know, maybe where you've had to work that bit harder to demonstrate, no, this really matters and this is really, really important.
And that's something else that Tamara and I like to try and do with this podcast, actually.
It's not, as you alluded to yourself, not just kind of say, you know, these things are going wrong or this system is broken or what have you.
Look what collective effort and curiosity, where it can take us and what we can do and make a difference.
She talks about Twitter and social media and how that sort of started your connection with Amjad Ali.
But, you know, actually it being a force for good and helping people connect and well I mean me and Catherine wouldn't have connected if it wasn't for it would we and so many people like when when you think like we've got a cause that we really care about you can get that message out there so easily and reach people you know across the country across the world and that collective agency can build momentum so yeah that's that's sort of the hope for me and it is
really that that you want to have a platform where you can connect with others and face challenge and as long as it is I suppose as long as it is positive debate that is going to come from with the best of intentions, then quite happy to engage and that becomes it.
But as much as Twitter has been the force that connected us, it is now the force that we've left it because we find that the change in tone of that social media platform has sort of it drains you.
And when you come into this work, especially if you're going to do work that challenges others, you have to be really, really wary of where you are able to spend your energies and where you're able to spend your energies for an impact.
Because let's face it, we're not just, you know, bottomless wells that we can pour into everyone else.
And that's the durability of it as well speaks to, as you say, the appetite for it.
Or the, maybe not resistance, but perhaps lack of understanding, you know, maybe where you've had to work that bit harder to demonstrate, no, this really matters and this is really, really important.
And that's something else that Tamara and I like to try and do with this podcast, actually.
It's not, as you alluded to yourself, not just kind of say, you know, these things are going wrong or this system is broken or what have you.
Look what collective effort and curiosity, where it can take us and what we can do and make a difference.
She talks about Twitter and social media and how that sort of started your connection with Amjad Ali.
But, you know, actually it being a force for good and helping people connect and well I mean me and Catherine wouldn't have connected if it wasn't for it would we and so many people like when when you think like we've got a cause that we really care about you can get that message out there so easily and reach people you know across the country across the world and that collective agency can build momentum so yeah that's that's sort of the hope for me and it is
really that that you want to have a platform where you can connect with others and face challenge and as long as it is I suppose as long as it is positive debate that is going to come from with the best of intentions, then quite happy to engage and that becomes it.
But as much as Twitter has been the force that connected us, it is now the force that we've left it because we find that the change in tone of that social media platform has sort of it drains you.
And when you come into this work, especially if you're going to do work that challenges others, you have to be really, really wary of where you are able to spend your energies and where you're able to spend your energies for an impact.
Because let's face it, we're not just, you know, bottomless wells that we can pour into everyone else.
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