The Idea That Started All the Seeking with Sabina Witzel

I'm curious now.

So you had your experiences, then you found the model and then you looked back and put everything like on your path corresponding to these threads and then it dropped away.

Yeah, the dropping already happened or was it the process of, but now I had like context.

I had an explanation that seemed fitting and it was actually quite, I made peace with this rather dynamic and really all over the place process.

So they came afterwards, you know, the map came afterwards.

Yeah.

It's more like orienting where I am, where I've been, rather than looking at the map, I need to go here, here and there and how to get there.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

And I now find it just helpful when talking to people when I feel like they would like some context or they would like some orientation where they're at or what could be a next step or what is just natural in them.

Having someone who has this tendency towards heart opening already had and tell a person to then deconstruct into emptiness just wouldn't make any sense and probably wouldn't take him anywhere.

Just seeing where someone is at, what the natural tendencies are, and then giving maybe some context if needed.

And for that, I really find it extremely helpful.

Nice.

What about the fetters model? Do you use that too?

Yeah.

Yeah, so the fetters are an emptiness threat approach, of course.

And I came across the fetters shortly after the subject object had collapsed.

And I had met Buddhist friends and I finally knew this was about awakening.

So I started searching the internet for Buddhism, but it was clear that I would not become a Buddhist, you know, that I wouldn't go through all the motions and do all the, you rituals and mantras or whatever I'm just not the type for that so and I came across the fetters by Christiane Mikkelberger and she mentioned her guide Kevin Janilek and I looked into them but at that point again the process didn't quite fit I hadn't found a map that was really fitting so they fell aside and And then when that field of awareness that I was in for about like 10 years suddenly dropped and there was like no sense of existence of I or a perceiver or awareness or consciousness or whatever any longer and that was so radical as to for it was before and I just thought okay let's look at the fetters again and then I contacted Christiana and asked her to have a look at where the process is at and help me you know pull out the weeds and she said um it was like the ninth and tenth fetter so but i told her go no give me all the fetters you know give me all the inquiries i want to stay start at feather one because i had been going alone and uh of course with everything we can bullshit each other you know and uh just you know makeup stuff and so I actually went through all the feathers with her and I really like that approach as well if you're more like into inquiry that's a great way to do it but for people who are more like um into for example um loving kindness or surrender or energy practices this is probably not a good fit so again it's it's not a one fits all it's just finding out what what fits the individual.

So yes, I'm aware of the Federer's long answer.

That's cool.

Yeah.

Very helpful too.

It all has its pros and cons.