it's always interesting for me trying to describe these things putting into into words and it may seem something fascinating but really it's just so ordinary yes

yeah in the end it is actually whatever is comes up it's like oh wow there is a distinct before and after and it might quite might be quite extraordinary but then you know once that sinks in at least that's my experience it's like no wait a minute this has always been like that and it's actually quite normal yeah And I saw that a couple of months ago, you talked to Pierre Salguero and his multi-dialogue.

Yes.

So I came across his map, I think, and him about two years ago.

And I was curious if I would take his... of awakening his perspectives on this process and modulate them on my process when looking back, if they would fit.

And it did.

Though I can also talk about the shifts from the Threads perspective, which is just different perspectives of how someone can experience awakening.

no how it should be at all.