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Moving along to more of the fully in-house model, what are the main challenges that you face with that, with having your own insourced fleet?

Well, I, I think it gives you a lot of control.

Mm.

But you have to account for the seasonality, as, as Michael is saying as well.

So we are the capacity provider for KLM.

Uh, we fly more than half of KLM's European network, but we also have some parties that we lease in as well.

So most of it we do ourselves, and then for seasonality reasons, we also are able to get a few with these partners in.

Uh, but we have a large fleet, almost 60 aircraft.

We have a fleet of E1s and E2, so fairly the same fleet, which means that you can optimize.

If you have such a large fleet, you can optimize your own production, your own maintenance, those kind of things.

So, um, I, I think being this size gives you the opportunity to do more yourselves and be more efficient.

Mm-hmm.

And I think one, one of the differences between us is that also the geographical location.

Yeah.

So we're in the outskirts of Europe, so in the domestic parts of, uh, our regions, it's quite small passenger volumes.

Mm-hmm.

And to, to serve those, we need to have a longer or a wider range of seat capacity or, or seat alternatives for-

Yes

...

the fleet-

Yes

... to make these, uh, routes profitable.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Because we can do with, with the 88, 100, and 136 seats, we cover the whole network.