sustainable aviation fuel

So there's still a significant discrepancy there, but they're calling it a a meaningful step.

We haven't heard a whole lot from the biodiesel, renewable diesel side of things yet, but there are also multiplier credits here for renewable diesel, for SAF, sustainable aviation fuel as well.

And so, yeah, the 75-day consultation process takes us into the middle of January.

The Canadian government, when it introduces new regulations, often only has a 30-day comment period, but when it involves international trade issues such as this, where, of course, the U.S. administration and industry will be paying close attention, they often use a longer consultation period, and that's what they've gone with here with this 75-day.

SAF, I think, is really geared towards more the larger airplanes and the long-haul flying.

And for us, the reason that we're really interested in electrification is because, well, there's actually three things that it tackles for us.

Obviously, our carbon footprints, essential.

And it's fun to see how our careers, you know, how things, how things change, but really remain the same.

Yeah.

Once you've got jet fuel in your veins, and I should say today, SAF in your veins, you know, it's forever, right? You stay in the industry.

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These are products like cellulosic fuels made from crop residues, switchgrass and agricultural waste.

And then there's my particular favourite phrase, Sustainable Aviation Fuel or SAF, which the airline operators are now heavily promoting as their pathway to net zero and your peace of mind next time you decide to pop off to Torremolinos for a cheeky weekend away.

And as I mentioned just now, all these options take a very big popularity box for our politicians, consumers.

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So we've got agribusiness, farmers, airlines, refiners and governments creating powerful cross-sector alliances.

If you criticise ethanol mandates in the USA, you're not just challenging energy policy, you stand accused of challenging rural livelihoods, when in fact many of those folks would be far better off using a small percentage of their land for solar power generation or for agrivoltaics.

If you question sustainable aviation fuel, you're castigated for undermining the aviation industry's apparent efforts to achieve their climate strategy.

You get the idea.

So they got to really voice their opposition to a lot of things.

IATA is not happy with government mandates that require airlines to use a certain amount of SAF by a certain point, such as the European Commission's Refuel EU.

Now airlines, argue that it's driven up the price of SAF.

But interestingly, as well as that opposition from airlines, we also heard from two top EU regulators at the conference.

So it was really interesting to have them in the room and listen to it from their perspective.