Sep 10, 2026 · 41 min · 12 segments
Jeff Sauer has spent twenty years teaching marketers how to measure what matters. In this episode, he explains how AI has rewritten his marketing playbook, letting a lean team (often just himself and…
Jeff SauerGuest
Shahin HodaHost
We don't need the whole backstory, but I've been in marketing for 20 years and I think it's changed more in the last few years than all the other time combined.

Basically, back in the day, marketing was you have to have some kind of website presence, right? which is how I got into marketing in the first place because I was a website designer.

You need to have traffic going to it, and then you need to have some measurement of that traffic, right? So ultimately, that's sort of what online marketing was.

Like the traffic that we used to receive, like SEO traffic, it's pretty much vanished for most people.

You need to pay in order to get recognized on, you know, through ad platforms in order to get any kind of preferential treatment at all in order to trigger the algorithms.

And then ad platforms are not even ad platforms, but the platforms like social media and everything, they want to keep you on platform.

And so it used to be that, you know, traffic is harder to come by, but people are spending more and more time online.

And so you have to basically understand the format that people are consuming and tailor whatever content you have to that format and use it in a way that still tries to help you match and meet your marketing goals.

You need to have a lot more, you need to put a lot more effort into your production and your quality and your topics and everything.

It used to be that you'd have AI write a blog post or you'd have AI write your emails.

I think almost every marketer out there is using AI in some shape or form during their production process and getting things out there.

We don't need the whole backstory, but I've been in marketing for 20 years and I think it's changed more in the last few years than all the other time combined.

Basically, back in the day, marketing was you have to have some kind of website presence, right? which is how I got into marketing in the first place because I was a website designer.

You need to have traffic going to it, and then you need to have some measurement of that traffic, right? So ultimately, that's sort of what online marketing was.

Like the traffic that we used to receive, like SEO traffic, it's pretty much vanished for most people.

You need to pay in order to get recognized on, you know, through ad platforms in order to get any kind of preferential treatment at all in order to trigger the algorithms.

And then ad platforms are not even ad platforms, but the platforms like social media and everything, they want to keep you on platform.

And so it used to be that, you know, traffic is harder to come by, but people are spending more and more time online.

And so you have to basically understand the format that people are consuming and tailor whatever content you have to that format and use it in a way that still tries to help you match and meet your marketing goals.

You need to have a lot more, you need to put a lot more effort into your production and your quality and your topics and everything.

It used to be that you'd have AI write a blog post or you'd have AI write your emails.

I think almost every marketer out there is using AI in some shape or form during their production process and getting things out there.
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