Altered States Of Conversation
Sep 20, 2026 · 1 hr 17 min · 11 segments
On right relation, serpent lore, truth and reality, with Tyson Yunkaporta, who works with Indigenous Systems Knowledge, Indigenous inquiry methods and complexity science to address global existential…
Tyson YunkaportaGuest
Tim AdalinHost
one tension that I've recognized over the last 10 years of being in Australia and trying to have conversations with people in this way was that the kind of variance and full stack of humanness at that level of feeling and emotion that you just spoke to as well, relations and all these things, not just calm and composed all the time or whatever it is.
That seems totally just the most natural thing ever and how I seek to relate with indigenous people.
And yet it might be one of the most complicated contexts of relation to actually do that in from the outside because it feels as though actually there's such a narrow band of appropriate feeling that you have to take on in relation.
And then the other thing that's present for me, hearing you speak there is understanding a little bit more about what it means to drop in and open up one's receptive capacity to actually make sense together, to share perspective, to help each other see.
yeah in that more intimate intense sincere way you know maybe we've had to travel for some way to get here
and we can have a bit of fun but also if we're gonna we're gonna do the thing if we're gonna and if i can use some of the language of embassy and ceremony yeah and here we are maybe it's right timing and so what does it mean to bring ourselves properly to that and into that process wisely so that country so that land can be part of it
Well, that's been a lot of time and encounters between us over a few years.
And so each encounter, you develop protocols and norms together and codes and registers for how you're going to yarn, given the context.
And you just sort of build this in the relational space between with someone.
So it's different, us yarning now, than where we were yarning in the first year when we knew each other.
I know they have the blessing of an uninterrupted, just quiet sort of space.
But look, there's always the same structure, whether it's formal or informal or, you know, ritualized or, you know, just every day.
Approaching circle, setting circle, keeping circle and closing circle, you know, just always seems to happen.
So, you know, whether it's a pair having a yarn like this or a cluster, you know, cluster would be sort of like people, like intimate, people who share a common, you know, like, you know, women's business, men's business, you know, young people, older people, you know, specialists in something.
one tension that I've recognized over the last 10 years of being in Australia and trying to have conversations with people in this way was that the kind of variance and full stack of humanness at that level of feeling and emotion that you just spoke to as well, relations and all these things, not just calm and composed all the time or whatever it is.
That seems totally just the most natural thing ever and how I seek to relate with indigenous people.
And yet it might be one of the most complicated contexts of relation to actually do that in from the outside because it feels as though actually there's such a narrow band of appropriate feeling that you have to take on in relation.
And then the other thing that's present for me, hearing you speak there is understanding a little bit more about what it means to drop in and open up one's receptive capacity to actually make sense together, to share perspective, to help each other see.
yeah in that more intimate intense sincere way you know maybe we've had to travel for some way to get here
and we can have a bit of fun but also if we're gonna we're gonna do the thing if we're gonna and if i can use some of the language of embassy and ceremony yeah and here we are maybe it's right timing and so what does it mean to bring ourselves properly to that and into that process wisely so that country so that land can be part of it
Well, that's been a lot of time and encounters between us over a few years.
And so each encounter, you develop protocols and norms together and codes and registers for how you're going to yarn, given the context.
And you just sort of build this in the relational space between with someone.
So it's different, us yarning now, than where we were yarning in the first year when we knew each other.
I know they have the blessing of an uninterrupted, just quiet sort of space.
But look, there's always the same structure, whether it's formal or informal or, you know, ritualized or, you know, just every day.
Approaching circle, setting circle, keeping circle and closing circle, you know, just always seems to happen.
So, you know, whether it's a pair having a yarn like this or a cluster, you know, cluster would be sort of like people, like intimate, people who share a common, you know, like, you know, women's business, men's business, you know, young people, older people, you know, specialists in something.
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