Zen, go ahead.

Yes.

So the, the two most important things to me are, one is a personal issue around, uh, what, what Bruce just talked about in toxins impacting our loved ones, and the other one is what's going on with, uh, the farm bill.

Um, so I'm gonna address that one first, uh, because I think it's very important that people contact their House representatives right now.

They are going to be bringing this farm bill to the House floor.

It will have to go to the Senate as afterwards as well.

But when it goes to House floor, if it gets voted on the way it is, there's some, uh, sections that will, will absolutely destroy state rights, state and local rights, um, and, uh, an individual's right to receive compensation after, um, being harmed by pesticides and, and chemicals, all the different chemicals under FIFRA.

I- is, is, is that a true sense that the, the way that they're going about things is much more in the open as if they don't care what the public thinks almost

Is this still working in your mind?

Yeah.

So I love the question, what is Maha first? Because, you know, is it still working? You have to clarify what is it first.

And to be upfront, I just refused a podcast that said Maha is dead.

Like that was going to be the title of the podcast.

And I've just I'm not going to be on that because there's a lot of people that oppose us that want Maha to be dead.

Right.

How do you bring people into that movement when they're associating it with so much stuff that they view as actively harming the country right now?

Watch this.

Glyphosate, this is, uh, m- the most widely used herbicide in the world, 280 million pounds a year in the United States.

And the highest level that we found of glyphosate was in Banza pasta.

We found over 2,800 parts per billion on this chickpea pasta, which touted itself as a low-glyphosate pasta because they were testing and monitoring for glyphosate.

That's what they told one of our, um, supporters before we even did the testing, that there ...

And we, we tagged it a low-glyphosate pasta, and then it came back to be the highest level.

Now, keep in mind that 2,800 parts per billion is the highest number ever recorded by the lab that we used in human foods.

But what is that win? Tell me all about it.

Mm-hmm

... no matter what you do.

Um, you know, and there's that saying, choose your hard, right? You, you do something, you're gonna get criticized, that's gonna be hard.

Don't do something, that's also hard, right? To not do something can, is, is, is, can be very, um, cause a lot of conflict, internal conflict because you're not acting out of integrity.

So, um, the pushback that we're getting is that we are emotional, right? We are a bunch of emotional moms, and they will bring up, um, the senators when, when they're arguing.

Like, if a woman gets up and talks about how these, glyphosate is harmful and it needs to be, you know, we can't have these pesticide immunity bills because glyphosate's so harmful, the, the senators will say, "Yes, we acknowledge the, you know, the gentle woman's emotional, uh, appeal regarding glyphosate, but the fact is..." And then they start saying this other science, right? They will contradict what we're saying with industry science that has been manipulated.

For instance, they'll say, "Oh, you know, glyphosate is on the OEHHA, you know, hazardous, you know, Prop 65 list," but also, I don't know, coffee or certain seed oils are, you know, are on there.

What is, so is that, is that the totality of the corporate pushback is the, i- is going after the people speaking? Are they, what kind of campaigns are they, are they doing? And has any of that pushback to, to you guys specifically, uh, a s- you know, uh, um, abated, or is it still going on?

So, uh, with that introduction, uh, let us know a little bit more about this story and what really got you started down this path.

Well, Gail, thank you so much for taking the time to educate people, you know, as a mother and a nurse.

And, uh, for me, you know, I, I just, I wanna be clear with people, I do not have a medical background.

I'm not a doctor, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a scientist.

Um, but there's a saying that goes that a worried mom does better research than the FBI, and that really resonated with me after I learned that GMOs, genetically modified organisms, were in our food supply, uh, for 17 years, and they had not been labeled.

And I saw a, um, TED Talk by Robin O'Brien, it was called Patriotism on a Plate, it was on YouTube, that somebody shared on Facebook, you know, the, in 2012, July of 2012.

And then, uh, what also came up in my feed was Jeffrey Smith's movie, Genetic Roulette.

So

Is, is that what you see, or what do you see?

Yeah.

I mean, the first six months, Bobby was rolling out a new policy every week.

It was, it was really, like, celebrate- celebratory time for MAHA.

You know, we were-- There was so much happening, and things getting done, and people were submitting policies and, you know, one-sheets and memos and plans on what to do.

And I had-- I was just inundated by people who wanted to get, you know, things to Bobby to have policies and new things happen and innovations.

And there was a, you know, huge amount of receptivity and things that were considered.

Mm-hmm

Like, why was that necessary to do? In your opinion, was there some kind of other motive behind creating an executive order? Y- what are your thoughts?

Well, I was horrified when it happened, right, because it was e- it was the exact opposite of what we wanna have happen.

We want it banned, and there's plenty of science to show that it should be banned.

DDT, PCBs showed up in breast milk, and it was banned five years later, right? And there's plenty of toxicity to show about those two that are equivalent to what glyphosate does if you look at the independent science.

A recent science from Ramazzini study that shows that it causes 10 types of cancer.

One of them is leukemia, and, um, it causes liver disease and kidney disease at very low levels.

I'm talking four parts per billion per kilogram of body weight.

Mm.

So you've got, um, loss of eye contact, you know, inability to stop themselves from hitting people or being violent, inability to learn, inability to connect with people.

You've, you have autism symptoms because these brain neurons are dying, right? And the bad bacteria in the gut.

So I told him about this, and he said, "Wow." Um, our, our ta- our visit was 45 minutes.

He said, "I've been telling my patients," and he was an autism doctor 'cause his child, his child had autism, and he was allowing spaced-out vaccines.

I think that's why, partially maybe why my children didn't have as severe reactions.

But, um, you know, that's not to say that one vaccine can't cause autism, right? It d- it can, and it does, but, um, in some people.

Does that mean pesticide-free and GMO-free, or does it mean certified organic? And does the Clean 15 work on this, you know, organic diet?

Okay.

Yes, of course.

Yeah.

And I know you have a question, too.

So, yeah, next step.

I really see I really applaud Senator Booker's initiative and we will be supporting that.

Absolutely.

I also want to remind everyone that when it comes down to it, It's up to the farmers to spray glyphosate on their fields or not.

What do you want to say to him today?

Um, and there's a massive impact to, um, to our health and nutrient density, and I'll show you about that.

So the food purchasing priorities, um, you know, just talking more about what we can do for a bit, is buy whole local foods, not highly processed foods.

All your grain products that you buy should be organic.

The, the, you know, the pasta, bread, crackers, baked goods to avoid glyphosate and toxins like 2,4-D.

Avoid GMOs, please.

Corn, soy, sugar, canola, and vegetable oil, those are very important to avoid those GMOs.

... shop, for example?

Well, well, let's, let's talk about that, the cost of buying organic food.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'd like to add that it really depends on how healthy you want to be.

I think everybody should just do you as long as you're not harming anybody else, right? And if that's really important to you to not touch the BPA receipts, maybe you and your wife can have an agreement that...

That's it.

I mean, it's, it's not really rude.

In my opinion, it's just, it's a personal choice.

But we have to be aware that if you have inflammation going on, if your body, if you have, if your body is sensitive to these things, I look at it as like, you can't put a campfire out if you're adding a teaspoon of fuel to the fire.

Just take a minute to give us your final thoughts on all of this, and then tell us how we can get in touch with you and support you.

People, even with insurance, are paying $10,000 a month for cancer treatments.

54% of our children have a chronic illness.

This number is at least 10 years old, and the pediatricians I'm talking to now say it's more like 75% of our children have a chronic illness, meaning allergies, autism, autoimmune issues, asthma, constant runny nose and cold, things like that.

One out of five Americans have a mental illness.

One out of six children have a learning disorder.

33% of young couples are facing fertility challenges.

I didn't realize that.

Unfortunately, I think it's going to be the sperm rates.

I think the impact on men is going to be way more media attention than the impact on women.

Unfortunately, I think we're still in a society where that, you know, where Women's fertility is ignored way more than men's fertility.

So I think that type of statistic is going to make the politicians on the Hill, who are predominantly men, actually do something about this.

I do think I am going to say the good thing.

I think when glyphosate is banned, I will be happy to be on every media channel.

fighting for this for 12 years

And that's what moves me the most about the work we do at Moms Across America and the work that the people on this team, The Real Truth About Health are doing is we're getting the word out about how to heal ourselves with food, with healthy food, with natural remedies so that we can live up to our fullest potential.

Our children can live up to their fullest potential.

And I would assert that I finally get, I was not a Trump supporter in the beginning, but I didn't like the slogan, make America great again, because it just seemed sort of pompous to me in a way.

But I fully get now that we cannot make America great again, which means just that we're all living up to our fullest potential and being inventive and innovative and living our fullest dreams and being happy.

We can't do that unless we make America healthy again.

So I get where he's coming from now, and I get why he brought Kennedy onto his administration.

Explain to us what has happened here with glyphosate and how it feels like that all of a sudden changed directions in not a good way.

Yeah, so that was a major blow to the MAHA movement, the glyphosate executive order that Trump recently put out.

It felt like an FU to the MAHA movement.

And, you know, I understand that there's a lot of explanation around it.

And in fact, Moms Across America is one of them that put out that 85.7% of all of the glyphosate that's produced is produced by Chinese-owned companies.

And Kennedy recently put out in the Joe Rogan show that 99% of the glyphosate that is purchased by Americans is from China.

So Trump does not like that, right? He does not want to be dependent on China for anything, pretty much.

In terms of the severity of risk to the average person and the pervasiveness of its consumability, where would you put glyphosates?

Sam?

Yeah, I would agree with Europe and other countries around the world.

There's 85 pesticides that have been banned in other countries around the world that are not banned here.

And Friends of the Earth recently came to Moms Across America and said, hey, let's collaborate on this.

And, and, um, It's not out of the gate yet, but I'm just saying it tonight because this topic is coming up.

That's what we are going to be working on.

We do not want these pesticide bills that are presently being presented right now in each state to prevent lawsuits against pesticide companies.

But you guys go ahead, Sam.

And they said, oh, no, well, we don't test the final formulation of Roundup, you know, all the different ingredients all together that's in the bottle, because rats have very delicate stomach linings.

And when they were exposed to glyphosate through food, it tore holes in their stomach lining, and they died.

And you can't do scientific studies on dead animals.

So you would think that would be the end of Roundup, right, in our food supply, but no, because the EPA has stated that they only need to submit safety studies, which are short-term studies, on one declared chemical ingredient in a pesticide or an herbicide or a fungicide, one ingredient, not all of them together.

This is a major flaw in our regulatory agencies that the final formulation of any product has never been long-term safety study tested and proven safe.

That's on our food supply.

Have you attempted to contact the secretary or his team about this apparent change in position? Has he lost your trust completely?

Well, he just posted on X and I responded to that last night.

And, you know, we have communicated in the past.

But what I do know about this is that he wants to support his president in order to continue to be able to do the good work he's doing.

Let's be clear that this administration has put out more health advances than any other administration I have seen, especially around food dyes, vaccines, you know, transparency.

They have done a tremendous amount of good work.

However, supporting glyphosate and instead of regenerative organic farming, which they are doing some of, but supporting glyphosate is the wrong direction to go in.

I want to ask you, just as you point out the politics of this, based on everything you've seen out of the White House so far, are you planning to vote for Republicans in the the upcoming midterms and what are other Maha moms telling you about how they're feeling right now?

And is this bill is it in Congress? Is it in the House or is it in the Senate? What's the status?

It's in the House.

It's the farm bill.

And G.T. Thompson is the one that wrote in these this pesticide immunity shield clause.

One of the parts of it extends the reviews of pesticides for five years to 2031, meaning they couldn't even start to review these pesticides in order to restrict or ban them.

for another five years.

So basically we're gonna do nothing for the next five years about pesticides and what it says.

Any last words you'd like to say, Zen?

But I want to know what maybe was happening in your personal life that made you realize that maybe food was a root issue to what we have going on.

Well, I realized when my son Ben was about nine years old and he, well, when he was five, he almost died from a pecan in the stuffing on Thanksgiving.

He had severe food allergies.

And then when he was around nine years old, I learned about GMOs from Robin O'Brien and Jeffrey Smith.

I watched their videos and movies and Ben had a rash around his mouth and He said, mom, I wish all my allergies would go away.

And I said, me too, buddy.

But I realized that in my head, I was thinking that's never going to happen.

So what was the impetus for doing that?

Why does K- why does Katy Tur and her guests have the long faces today, ma'am?

Well, because this is...

this is a dip in profits for the pharmaceutical companies, and this is something that is near and dear to my heart.

I have lost family members to vaccines.

I don't think I've said this publicly before, but my father was killed by the flu shot and the DTaP shot at 91... no, he lived till 93 years old.

My brother wo- died after two COVID shots, and my son was 22 years old.

He was on...

... and why is it such a titanic battle that ha- that hasn't spilled over into the public, ma'am?

So what are the latest testing results showing? Are we making any headway?

Well, we were surprised.

We recently tested 14 cereals in the United States and seven cereals that were similar types because we tested organic and conventional here.

But in the UK, Germany and France, we tested the similar types, but not organic, just the conventional ones.

So seven from each one of those, thanks to our supporters for donating.

And we were very surprised to find that the U.S. had lower levels of glyphosate actually than the U.K.

The U.K. had extremely high levels of glyphosate on their grains.

If you want something done, ask a mom, right?