What were Christians to you at this point? Did they, were they judgy? Were they hypocrites? Like, did you have a-

a-... thought towards, towards Christians I had had one personal...

I w- I went to a Catholic high school, but I don't, I don't know that, I don't know that that gave me a goody good impression one way or another of Christians.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Just, like, 'cause I grew up Jewish- You're right ... and s- yeah, so it's like- Totally.

Yeah ... they're different from me somehow.

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Were you using any drugs in that conversation? No,

totally stone sober.

And so at the end I find out that they're Christians and I'm like, what are you doing here? It was the most odd thing, but there was something about them that really landed with me.

They were unlike any other Christians I'd ever met.

And so I maintained a relationship with them beginning from 2015 forward in time from 2016 to 2020.

I was traveling overseas, India, China, Japan, South America, where I tried ayahuasca.

So we'll probably get into this, but I have a tattoo of an ayahuasca vine on my left arm because it was such a big part of my spiritual life at the time.

Explain what it is.

Yeah.

They just, they just don't.

There's what I want to do.

There's, you know, what I can get away with.

There's what I can live with.

But there's no notion...

They, obviously in their hearts they know, but there's so much effort poured into trying to tell people, like, "Whatever's going on in your heart, it's, it doesn't matter.

[laughs]

Oh, sure

...

in the, in, in the software, these are energetic vortexes of different frequencies and directions and so forth.

Uh, I don't have a definition of all of them in my head right now, but, uh, just looking at that, you have, um, you have a significant change.

Uh, and that's why I wa- like to look at this as more of something that creates harmony in the environment, uh, because it, it basically levels all these things out.

When, when you have an environment that isn't poisoned with, um, uh, EMFs of different kinds a- and you have a lower metal count, uh, you're going to have a lower microbial count, uh, a- and certain things.

So if you wanna just go down there, uh, just the vortex ones, I don't in- have the definitions of all those, uh, in my head, but they're just different groupings in the software, uh, that we're looking at.

I mean, do you see a role for a device like this in some of the work you do?

Yeah,

I guess so.

Well, there's a couple different answers that I could give just from my reading based on this.

Doug Wilson has another great answer about...

the innate spiritual knowledge that the sacrifice is coming from there.

Like if the Christian story is true, then the sacrifice is coming from the Jews, from that corner.

And if it's not Jesus, then it must be them more broadly.

I

Correct

... by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke.

And so, uh, this book, the subtitle is "Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity." And so a bit of backstory about, about how I found this book.

So, um, as I mentioned, I had been in the New Age for 20 or so years, and one of the aspects of the New Age is, um, there's a room, I call it the Deep New Age, where it's not just about crystals and all of that.

It actually attempts to understand, we might say, geopolitics and culture through a conspiratorial framework.

Big...

Conspiracy theory is not a huge part of the New Age world, but it is part of it, and there are a lot of people that are very into it.

Yes.

well this this ties into it were you able to like identify specific isotopes in the samples of the like radioactive components

I'll answer that one first.

Uh, we can, I was looking at groups, uh, or a pair, uh, like, uh, plutonium strontium.

Um, they were just some easy.

And again, um, those are just easy.

So yes, we can actually go down really small individual things we can identify.

And so, uh, the technology, uh, pretty much everybody's been exposed to this technology.

Do I need to reapply the soil savers after that event as well? Like expecting some sort of a microbial die off after that event? Or should the microbes that I added before that event survive? Will they survive that event and continue to break down the chemicals and the toxins and all that stuff? How often should I reapply soil savers basically?