I do believe that they are interdimensional, um, only because they behave more like an interdimensional thing than they, than they do as a nuts and bolts from another planet kind of, uh, thing.

Yeah, we, we talk about, we talk about in the film how huge space is.

I mean, I, I've always known it was big, but, uh, doing this documentary, it...

Realizing how absolutely huge space is.

There's no way, and everybody says it, physics as we know it, there's no way with physics as we know it that someone could come here, visit, and go home.

It's, it's...

It would just take, uh, you know, a thousand years.

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I do believe that they are interdimensional, um, only because they behave more like an interdimensional thing than they, than they do as a nuts and bolts from another planet kind of, uh, thing.

Right

...

so somebody can make their own little hat.

But, um, it, it was very real to me.

And, um, I remember as a child trying to tell people that, you know, something was happening to me, that, um, that I was having these crazy visitations and things of that nature.

And of course, you know, I was a very imaginative child to begin with, but, you know, they just lumped this in with the rest of the fantasy of, of, you know, what children do when they make up stories.

But I never wavered on this.

Sure.

Mm-hmm

... than I understand of God." And, uh, and, and to me, that's such a great analogy.

I, I get the basis of God.

He's...

I have a personal relationship, and that's the whole thing.

Um, it's not just the boo- the Bible.

It's my relationship with God.

Mm.

You're

on.

I think I've often been told I'm married up, and I think I married a brilliant woman.

Go ahead, sir.

Yeah.

I think the one thing making this documentary really made me look at and see was that we talk about the spiritual world, this other dimension and our dimension, as we say, as Amanda says, the 3D linear world we live in.

I think it's much more connected.

They're much more intertwined than we really want to believe.

Yes

... th- that spiritual world is right there all around us.

And I think w- the enemy, like you said, Satan is quite happy that we deny his existence, b- believe he doesn't exist.

God fights.

He sent His Son to die so we would know He exists.

And so we, we try to, we, we often sit back and go, "Well, the, the spiritual world's just that spooky thing, you know, or that fuzzy feeling we get when we go to church on Sunday." But I think that spiritual world influences everything we do.

It influences every moment that we're awake, and even when we're asleep-

Right.

The audience wants to know.

[laughs] Well, you, you had, um, you had mentioned Derek Warfield.

He, he's, he's been a friend for over 40 years, and he contacted me through email and asked me to throw my hat into the ring to direct a documentary he was going to be, um, executive producing.

And, uh, not knowing that, uh, uh, this phenomena had actually touched my wife's life to an extreme point and to mine b- c- 'cause I married her.

[laughs]

Sure.

And, uh, they put me through the wringer.

They made me, um, shoot a 15-minute, uh, audition piece to prove that I could do a documentary, so we shot Amanda's testimony for, for that, and, um, it kinda blew 'em away, and they ended up hiring us.

Can Christians and UFO experts and UFO fans, can they coexist together? Or can that be possible?

Well, we, we, we like to say...

We, we've gotten asked some, asked the question a lot, uh, how does this phenomenon affect the church? And we, we kinda say, "Well, that's the wrong question." The question is, can this spiritual, this biblical phenomenon, how does it affect the world? Because we do believe it is a biblical and spiritual phenomenon that's happening.

You have to go back to G- to, uh, Genesis 6, where it all began, to real- really see what these beings are and, and what they want.

But after they see your film, is it okay for them to come out and just say, "You know, maybe there is definitely something out there besides us humans"? Is that okay?

Oh, absolutely.

I, I think I, I talk about it in the film.

I...