[laughs] You're fine.

Right.

And when we make your budget, so we have it in, you know, three steps, and it's basically simplify or, uh, simplify your, your money so you can see it all on one page.

You know, anyone can make a budget for your utilities, your mortgage, your gas and groceries, and say, "Oh, I'm good.

I called it a budget," and then move on.

But you put words and numbers on paper, and you didn't do anything about it, and you called it a budget, and you think that that's helping.

And then you walk away, and that paper gets shoved in the desk drawer, maybe gets thrown away, maybe the bunny eats it like it happened with mine.

They don't have a, you know, guardrails.

Ramble away, sister

...

the finishing touches quest to go and install the override chip in the substation.

So we had a couple of different goes at this one.

Initially, Sterling just walked in.

Um, he's got sort of slightly positive standing with the NCR, so thought we'd be able to go in unchallenged.

Uh, which we couldn't, and ended up with negative, uh, reputation.

Sure

[laughs]

Yeah.

So I, I can't even, I can't even say that joke, but, um, the lawyer seems confident that, you know, it's more of the prosecution kinda making this storyline of them.

As if...

The example that was used was saying, hey, if I, if I keep old credit cards all in a shoebox, I don't get rid of them, but if you find that, you might think that I'm a scammer too.

Or you, you know, you could spin a story to make it seem like it's, uh, you know, something going on.

But I don't know.

... he's allowed to like that? That short notice?

Donne, donne-nous des bonnes nouvelles là, ce matin.

Ben oui, ça va très bien.

Ça s'est super bien passé.

Un premier bébé en santé malgré la prématurité.

Ça va très bien.

Wow.

Encore sous l'émotion, un peu de fatigue au travers de tout ça.

Là, j'ai deux heures de sommeil dans le corps.

Eventually, curiosity gets the better of her.

I come back to the front of his apartment, and I see him now not in his apartment anymore, but he's out in the front on the street talking to these police officers.

He said that someone broke in and did that.

He was not taking responsibility for it.

I was even more perplexed, like, "What is going on?"

In the years since their various relationships with Derek, some of the women have found romantic love again, and some haven't, like Vanessa

I'd say that Derek really kind of, um, kind of screwed it up for me and made me not really want to trust people.

I feel like being a part of his big lie really took away the potential opportunity for me to be with the right person.

What happened, Vanessa?

I am not happy.

Well, I order some gummies from TikTok Shop, and I order some sunscreen from TikTok Shop, and the f- and they both got delivered, 'cause they send you the photos.

So I was, like, so excited to get home to find a missing package? No.

I asked the manager, "Hey, can you see if anyone maybe took my package by accident?" She checked the cameras, and it was a stranger.

And I don't know why he only stole my stuff, because the lady in front of me, her package was right there.

Like, when I left my house, I saw her package.

We, we heard you one time.

Do it, please.

[laughs] And, um, we have, uh, kind of spearheaded the use of scientific data in, uh, the assessment of tack and horses.

So what we always use is the client's pressure mapping system and a gait analysis simultaneously, and this allows us to feel and see what the horse is seeing, how it's responding, how it's moving, and it's the closest we can get to the horse telling us whether it feels better and more comfortable in saddle A or saddle B, or bridal A or bridal B, or if we change some things, so we can actually get qualitative data that we can actually look at and decide how we design and change things.

Give us an insight into actually what it's like.

Yeah.

So when we're doing test days, uh, with these riders at, at their premises, um, the thing that always blows me away as the kind of outsider watching them is their accuracy.

So whenever we're doing testing, we have a speed gate, so we're measuring, um, obviously how quick they're doing whatever the particular movement we need.

For example, from one end of the school to the other, jumping a single fence.

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Saying out loud to my friend, like, "Okay, I'm done." [laughs] It, like, immediately responded saying, "We're not done"

My name is Edwin, and here are Vanessa's and Christie's true scary stories.

So this story takes place in 2014, 2015, in my hometown of Elsinore.

At the time, I was a senior in high school.

I had made a friend senior year.

We'll call her CC.

CC and I, the way we became friends was because we both had taken the ASVAB test, which is the military test that you take in high school to place you somewhere in the military.

Mm-hmm.

Okay? So all of your income is coming into a checking account called your bills account.

That account is paying all of your monthly minimum debt payments and all of your monthly bills, and a bill is considered anything with a due date, anything that's reoccurring, anything you're getting charged for, okay? And then from there, all your money is getting automatically transferred, we'll get into that, getting transferred into your spending accounts, plural, and your savings accounts, plural.

So think of your spending.

How do you spend money throughout the month? Well, you're either buying gas and groceries, or you're going out to eat or b- you know, going mini golfing with your family or, you know, dining, entertainment, restaurants, things like that.

Or you have personal spending money for yourself or your husband, right? Each of you are gonna have your own spending account, and you probably have one for your kids 'cause we need to have one.

They, their money is not your money.

... that I can use that as a tool?" Like, how has that transformed their relationship when it comes to, um, spending, like impulse spending?

... participation as a practice tool and a koan.

Right.

Um, well, let's see.

I ...

So when I, uh, s- uh, s- signed up to do this, th- participation, um, looking around for a topic and participation just dropped in.

And so I just started looking at it, and the more I looked at it, the more of a koan it became because...

Or just as I did it, you know, it was like, uh, o- you know, it sort of became clear like, like, you sign up for something, and then it's like, let the games begin.

It's all there, yeah.

So how long have you been wearing this, uh, a continuous glucose monitor?

I would say that with a, a lot of consistency, about a year.

I've bought quite a few, because the information I was getting from it was kind of fun and also really revealing, and I, and I kept on feeling like, okay, well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep on trying different things, experimenting with different patterns of eating and times I'm eating things, and orders that I'm eating, the types of food in my meals, and see how all of that affects it.

And I just kept on discovering more-... stuff.

So what changes or even, like, outcomes have you experienced from all this work that you've put into using the continuous glucose monitor, monitoring your patterns, and adapting to what you're seeing?

One of the things that I've noticed is I was recently diagnosed with a Baker's cyst in my knee, and that is inflammation, and if you can keep your blood glucose levels, like, in- in range-Then you can also reduce your inflammation, which I also, I, I did not make that connection beforehand.

But there was a time that I ate, like, a bunch of refined carbs.

There was, uh, some pizza that was offered for free at, like, a Knowledge Bowl meet, and then there was a bunch of, like, Reese's and all kinds of just delicious treats that were super processed carbs and lots and lots of sugar.

if, if it starts getting too much traction among people I respect, say something, but that is how I think about them.

[clicks tongue] I will say that ki- uh, one thing that is a little interesting is I've noticed that people are physically feeling weighed down from the, the level of the discourse and how negative it is all the time.

And I don't know if this is true on the right, but on the left, I do see a lot of people coming up in defense of joy.

Like, they, they feel like they have to couch why they're allowed to be joyful or experience pleasure despite how terrible everything is, and it's like, it's, it is part of the revolution to take care of yourself.

It is okay-

Yeah

... to have some, like, fun and joy so that you can, you know, uh, g- fight against capitalism.

Capitalism wants you to be a tired, upset puddle, and no, no, no, no, we must rise with joy to fight again.

Vanessa, what do you hope people learn from watching you and Logan fall in love?

So for me, you know, I, I've been thinking about this a lot.

Like, you know, older men have been dating younger women since the beginning of time, but older women dating a younger man is like still frowned upon in society.

So like I w- I, I'm hoping that people can see this and feel like this is okay, and we don't have to be ashamed of it, and that women could be, you know, have all of it together and be with somebody younger and it, it doesn't diminish your value or your, the person you're with's value.

I watched the whole thing yesterday, and at the end everybody was talking about like the age difference and the age difference and the age difference.

And honestly, the whole time I was there, the age thing just went right over my head and I was like, "Was I supposed to be thinking more about this age distance thing?" 'Cause I wasn't-

Well, before we send you all on your way, does anyone have any final thoughts or things they wanna share?

Um, I, I do.

It'll be interesting to watch, uh, your relationship with Logan unfold, but you, you guys fight like cats and dogs.

[laughs] You would...

Yes.

So I was famous for...

I was single for a while, and before going into this experiment, and I would always just go on, like, three dates with someone and be, be done.

Like, my first date, okay, it was good.

The second date, I was like, eh.

Yeah, just, you know.

And baby hair.

Cuddling up with the puppy dog, um, petting the kittens.

Here's Vanessa, who we met in Oklahoma.

I came from a background where I did a lot of drawing.

Um, and on the outside, there's always, you know, reference after reference.

You can Google a picture and have 100 images pop up.

In here, we get to rely on our imagination and our creativity that we actually have within us.

And I never knew that I was this [laughs] creative until I came to prison.

Yeah.

Um, so when they first released the autopsy results, right? First of all, I kept calling the coroner's office asking when they were gonna have the autopsy released.

Um, they said they were awaiting the toxicology.

Um, I later learned that they didn't, they didn't release the autopsy until April 27th, a week after school got out for spring semester in Boulder.

They had the toxicology since March 7th.

So it was very clear they didn't want the autopsy out while people were still there going to school.

So on March 27th, I meet with the coroner and the assistant DA, all these other people, and they're like, "No, it's a suicide." So I had a lot of technical questions about the autopsy itself, and they said, "Well, we can't answer those questions.

... parents to feel not safe to send their, their children there.

Oh, my

... after a visitation, which was actually the one where my parents came, because that's the only time where there's potential for bringing something in, not when you're seeing a detective.

So I'm seeing my parents for the first time.

The meeting is over, and then I go back in.

I'm thinking I'm just gonna go back to the general public, and then they said, "Oh, you gotta do a strip search." So I'm like, "Okay." And I start taking everything off, but this was everything off, completely naked.

And I had no problem, like, taking my jumpsuit off and...

But I think the most humiliating part is they make you lift up your bra, take off your bra, and they make you lift your breasts to make sure that there's nothing in between your breasts or under your breasts.

Looking back, do you think your parents could have done anything better to keep you out of trouble?

What did he say?

He was quiet for a moment.

There was definitely a pause, and then he had said, "Well, what would this look like? Like, would you be paying this back? Would this be a loan?" And I said, "No, I need, I just need you to help me pay this off." And he was quiet again, which to me I read as a no.

And then we, I let it sit for a little bit, and I reapproached it again later that evening, and I said, "I really need your help with this." And he said, "If I needed the help, what would you do?" And I said, "I would just give you the [beep] money." Then later on that night, I think he was feeling guilty, and he offered me the money, and I felt really conflicted because I didn't wanna take money from him feeling like he was being bullied into it, even though I needed the money.

So then I didn't know what to do.

Vanessa, what are the assets?

So we've got the house.

We bought that for 525,000.