And I am just curious, like, and in a way that maybe law and politics do not, right? Does beauty make a claim that feels natural or self-evident? Like, what is it about art that has that power, would you say?

I don't know about beauty.

I don't think conventional beauty is required for art to have influence.

Indeed, you know, for example, Lewis Hines' photographs of child labor are anything but beautiful.

I think there are lots of ways in which art has influence outside of its silo.

In the case of Watkins and Bierstadt, it has specific impact on not only legislation and the interpretation of legislation by judges and regulators and other entities, but it also taught, if that's the right word, encouraged the European American belief that anthropogenic fire as conducted by Native Americans in Yosemite Valley by the Awenichi people was a threat to the Yosemite they loved.

They could see in Watkins's photographs signs of burning and failing to understand what the Awenichi were doing, why they burned, to what purposes and successes they did so.

Did you consciously develop that method? And what can you tell me about it?

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Thank you.

Good morning, Your Honor.

May it please the Court, Tyler Green on behalf of the Appalachian Corner Post.

We agree with the Board about the importance or about the specific questions that need to be answered here.

What is the scope of Congress's mandate and what are the bounds of that mandate? But it probably will be no surprise to this panel to know that we disagree with the board's answers to those questions.

If I could take them in order, and I think the way we've been thinking about this case and the way that we would ask the court to think about it is to look, to follow the Supreme Court's instructions from the Loper-Bright case and to look at the entire statute in context.

So it's a little bit of a forest for the trees question.

What does incremental costs mean to you or your clients?

Sure, 100.

I felt like I was having a lot of fun.

[laughs] And that was, like, the biggest thing that was, um, the, the biggest thing that I, like, the biggest part of my experience, the forefront of my experience, I guess, was, was just having a lot of fun and, and being like, "This is the coolest place.

These trails are awesome.

They're technical and challenging, but, like, just it's such a cool place to be." I can't, I can't quite wrap my head around it or, or quite, quite can't communicate it.

But also, um, at first running with Eric Sorenson, um, he's someone who lives, uh, near Ouray, and, um, he, he-- we hung out quite a bit, um, before the race, and so we were running together for a bit and then synced up with Rod Farvaud as well.

And so the three of us were running together for a bit, and I'm just like, "Oh, this is cool." We were in, I think, second, third, and fourth for a bit together, and that was really fun.

What's the thing you're most proud of from your day out there, Tyler?

I tracked him down to New York City, where he now works in publishing.

I don't think it's fair to say he was always like that, how the school principal described him.

I mean, maybe that's her experience, I guess, because of the time she knew him.

But I knew him before that, and he was a pretty normal kid in my recollection.

Kind of tall, taller than me, taller than most of us, and gawky.

One of those kids who grew upwards really fast, but not outwards, you know? I remember my mom used to say if he turned side on, he'd be invisible.

And he had this hair that was so blonde, it was almost white.

A reference to some letters Charles Ward says you found?

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Um, but, uh, what was I gonna say? Oh, so just, just seeing the way that people are training.

Like, you know, you think like, oh, well, what was 80 miles a few years ago is now 100 miles every week for training, and then it's 120, and now it's 140 and 50 and 60.

And I know that that's really sexy training.

I know that that's stuff that really, like, makes the eyes pop.

Um, you know-I can't do that.

Like, I talked with my coach, and I said, "This is how many hours I have in the week.

You can get us started, Tyler.