I've only heard the story, but I actually don't know what's in it or behind it.

So I had messed up.

It was like the worst mess up of my life to that point.

You know, I had thought I'd get away with it, you know.

I'd underestimated the conviction of the Holy Spirit, right? And so then I confessed.

I talked to my mom, and then, of course, there was going to be a talk with my dad.

But the way my dad handled it was so good.

How does that connect to this moment?

How does that connect to this moment?

Well, when you take a dive, you generally have a goal.

Maybe you're over a reef.

You wanna see fish.

You wanna see shark.

Maybe you wanna see a wreck.

There's always something you really wanna do, and that can become the primary reason for your dive, but y- you've gotta change that.

What would you do after that?

Technology overcame you.

Yeah, yeah.

We were, we were losing our shirt.

And, um, so I took the boys on this little, uh, mystery ride, and so basically they were blindfolded, and we made three stops.

And the whole idea is they kept their blindfold on.

We get to the first stop, "Okay, boys, lift up your blindfold.

Write down where you think we are.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Um, that was the huge emotion, you know, that I was feeling, and, um, and I'm gonna build back trust.

And, and, and so it changed or reset the course of my life that I was feeling, and I'm gonna build back trust.

And so it changed- Or reset the course of my life right there.

These conversations are critical.

If my dad had handled that different, you know, and that had pushed me away, um, and maybe I could have in my own young, stupid, where you kinda make excuses, I could have made excuses to say why it was right that I pulled away.

And, um, you know, but it would've changed the course of my life.

What are some other mistakes that parents might even accidentally engage in when trying to have these conversations with their teens?

Are you seeing anything around the ROI of sustainability at all?

I haven't seen anything specific but here's the other side of that.

A lot of manufacturers already have a sustainability mindset.

They already want to save and recycle because it makes financial sense for them.

Sometimes the customers are saying, why do we have to do this reporting? We're already saving.

We're already changing out our light bulbs.

We're already doing things.

What are the aspects of Kinetic that might help an employer actually attract new employees?

Um, so how can we not sound bullying? How can we not sound like we're constantly harping on our, our child? What are some tips with that?

We have to realize our conversations need to change from when they were, you know, in elementary years to when they're heading to those teen years.

Now, in elementary years, a lot of times we'reWe could be giving little orders, you know? "Hey, stop, stop that.

D- don't do that." Uh, there might be a, "Because I said so," uh, type of thing.

Or, uh, you know, we've got little kids that might be whining or complaining, and we can have a, you know, "I, I really don't care what you think right now.

Uh, this is what, you know, Dad says we've gotta do, or Mom says we've gotta do." Um, but that has to change.

That can become very authoritative, um, that style, as they're getting older, and that just won't fly.

Mm.

So, um, yeah, what would you say for like how to start that?

Well, I think, um, you know, one of the interesting, one of the other interesting things, you talk about like a little devotional type of thing, uh, that you do.

And one of these things that, um, uh, I would do with high school kids often is we'd go to the grocery store.

So maybe I got a small group of, of kids, and we'd go to the grocery store, and, uh, we'd put them in groups of two or three.

So you can do this with your kids.

Give them $5, and if they're old enough to go through the grocery store without you watching their every move, that's great.

"Hey, I'll wait at the register.

Can you talk, and, you know, Tim, I think as a, as a father, as a grandfather, what does that mean to you, to not exasperate?