I mean, did you ever look back? And think, you know, if I just didn't bring my faith into this, I would have gotten this piece of business and I could have then ultimately did something more for the faith or, you know, any regrets there?

No, I, I've never can point to any example of where that happened.

I'm sure it did, but I don't even know it.

It did.

And I followed the principles that you guys espouse, daily rosary, daily mass, regular confession.

And so I have a spiritual director.

I go to confession at least once a month.

I mean, What lit your fire to then spread it?

What breaks your heart about the church today?

I'm an optimist.

I do believe the church is on a a move to return.

We've had the most Catholics baptized and confirmed this past Holy Saturday than we've had, I'm told, in 25 years.

And it's not singled out in one particular area.

Like New York is not ahead of Washington and Washington's not ahead of LA.

It's all over.

What about you? What fills your heart?

So where does that energy and drive come from?

You know, it's the love of the soul.

If you really want to do a favor for somebody is get him back on track with faith.

And I don't think he necessarily have to be Catholic to get to heaven.

I've never held that position, but it makes it a lot easier because the discipline of Catholics.

And I think that's one of the reasons Catholics today are disproportionately successful in business is because they have that discipline of faith and of the rubrics of faith that are really founded by Jesus Christ, rooted in the Bible.

And it has a magisterium that the entire world, you know, I, I explained this to my grandkids and say, you know, I've got the readings right here in my phone because every day in every church throughout the world, they're doing the exact same readings.

So what led you to start the Napa Institute?