And being true and authentic to the audience helps us a lot.

Yeah.

I would say for me personally, I've had to do a lot of growing because I remember this conversation.

I've known Morad since high school, and I remember we were in SAT prep.

And I [laughs] said, "I don't wanna be anywhere near famous.

I don't even wanna know somebody famous 'cause they gonna be like, 'Oh, you're such and such best friend.' They gonna treat me like I'm, I'm Gayle to Oprah and still try and be in my business." And Morad was like, "I'm trying to be famous." And I was like, "Okay.

Well, I'll allow you to be my friend, but I don't wanna touch it." And now she's dragged me out here into the forefront.

What inspired you guys to decide to go on tour?

[laughs]

Like, to be very honest, and I, I don't really still get it.

[laughs] But well, that's it, that's it.

I think this probably, uh, just underlines in what kind of weird state this game is towards chemistry because it gets so confusing with all these kind of different, uh, card types there are, different decoration items which are boosting chemistry.

It's, it's something that I really don't bother that much anymore.

And lately, obviously since we are coming out of Trophy Titans before Team of the Season, you tend to have in that moment so many, uh, icons in your team that you don't really care about chemistry at all.

Now we have the complete opposite in a way, that we have like, not so many i- uh, icons anymore, uh, because you shift your team towards Team of the Season players.

Mm

Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, we approach this...

When, when we were building a format for the show, I was like, "I want it to be these phone conversations." So nobody is telling it this relaxed.

Nobody is going off on tangents where they're relating and you start to sympathize with them.

Nobody's telling it in that perspective.

So I think even, even if we did tell JonBenét Ramsey, we'd have that other perspective that nobody else is talking about or afraid to mention, because we're towing closer to that line.

So [sighs] it's hard.

Yeah, it's cringey.